Why do parents from high FARMS school

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Anonymous wrote:or maybe your school's administration has a better grasp on where dollars need to be spent.

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Principals can’t make everyone happy and need to meet the school’s needs as best as they can. If only a few kids want to take a class, that is not a good use of the school’s budget even if it’s what your child wants. Maybe you can see if there is a virtual option if your child can’t get to MC?

You do realize there is no virtual option in MCPS. And, the few virtual options at MC are during the school day at odd hours that conflict with classes at school or after school or evenings when activities occur. MCPS should provide equal classes to all sttudents. These schools are higher farms because people bail. After all, their kids needs aren't getting met. More families will bail if this trend continues.

Fine, take away all advanced classes in magnets, cancel IB in all schools, take away special arts programs, and make sure that no school offers anything extra. That will really solve things.

Get over yourself. MCPS is trying hard to make things more equitable for everyone- high and low FARMS schools. Yet parents only find fault. Will it be perfect right away? Absolutely not, but it is a great step for this county.

Sounds good. MCPS wants equity. Or, how about being reasonable and having more offerings for schools with limited offerings. Its interesting you don't see to have a problem with this as you don't care about the huge inequities at the different schools.

We want our kids to have the same opportunities as yours. Is that unreasonable? We all pay for these schools.

I. Agree. With. You. The core at all high schools needs to be strong. There will be differences in electives offered at each school. Maybe we should brainstorm a list of essential offerings starting with the MCPS proposal of core classes. What do you think is missing from that list?

It really doesn’t matter what’s missing. Compare the course offerings and you can see the disparity. They are clear the disparities will continue. They need to stop using the term equity when there is nothing equitable about MCPS and these schools will never get better as families will continue to flee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:or maybe your school's administration has a better grasp on where dollars need to be spent.

+1

Principals can’t make everyone happy and need to meet the school’s needs as best as they can. If only a few kids want to take a class, that is not a good use of the school’s budget even if it’s what your child wants. Maybe you can see if there is a virtual option if your child can’t get to MC?

You do realize there is no virtual option in MCPS. And, the few virtual options at MC are during the school day at odd hours that conflict with classes at school or after school or evenings when activities occur. MCPS should provide equal classes to all sttudents. These schools are higher farms because people bail. After all, their kids needs aren't getting met. More families will bail if this trend continues.

Fine, take away all advanced classes in magnets, cancel IB in all schools, take away special arts programs, and make sure that no school offers anything extra. That will really solve things.

Get over yourself. MCPS is trying hard to make things more equitable for everyone- high and low FARMS schools. Yet parents only find fault. Will it be perfect right away? Absolutely not, but it is a great step for this county.

Sounds good. MCPS wants equity. Or, how about being reasonable and having more offerings for schools with limited offerings. Its interesting you don't see to have a problem with this as you don't care about the huge inequities at the different schools.

We want our kids to have the same opportunities as yours. Is that unreasonable? We all pay for these schools.

I. Agree. With. You. The core at all high schools needs to be strong. There will be differences in electives offered at each school. Maybe we should brainstorm a list of essential offerings starting with the MCPS proposal of core classes. What do you think is missing from that list?

It really doesn’t matter what’s missing. Compare the course offerings and you can see the disparity. They are clear the disparities will continue. They need to stop using the term equity when there is nothing equitable about MCPS and these schools will never get better as families will continue to flee.

The problem with a strong core is when the massive funding that a PP mentioned isn’t there to help high poverty kids in ES and MS, the test scores and failure rates become politically unpalatable. I totally believe we should be pushing higher and higher standards for all kids. However, it’s going to lead to many dropping out and “failed schools” that, in turn, will be blamed on the teachers rather than a combination of persistent poverty, natural talent, and lack of political will and budget to fund the massive intervention needed at the earliest ages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

No you want to take away resources at high FARMS schools from things they actually need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

That doesn’t make sense bc all schools are not he same and have different needs with finite budgets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

No you want to take away resources at high FARMS schools from things they actually need.

So, this is your answer. You don’t seem to realize that these schools are diverse and even low income kids can do well in advanced classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

Hey look, it’s a voice of reason! The hubris that some parents have, expecting the entire school system to cater to their DD’s needs or desires without any inconvenience is really on display here. Sounds like this individual should be looking at private or move if that’s what they expect — you know, the same thing that they tell parents of W schools if we disagree about what they want us to give up in the name of benefits for their kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

The problem is that historically Black students have not been placed in the correct cohorts. Predominantly White teachers do not recognize when Black students are academically advanced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

The problem is that historically Black students have not been placed in the correct cohorts. Predominantly White teachers do not recognize when Black students are academically advanced.

Then it could be based on test scores OR all students could be given the opportunity to opt into the advanced course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree. I never wanted my kid on a longer bus ride than needed. The MVC lady will never be satisfied because all that matters is MVC to her but really cohorted English in grade 9 would benefit massive numbers of students. It doesn't cost money for new teachers to cohort based on reading and writing levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree. I never wanted my kid on a longer bus ride than needed. The MVC lady will never be satisfied because all that matters is MVC to her but really cohorted English in grade 9 would benefit massive numbers of students. It doesn't cost money for new teachers to cohort based on reading and writing levels.

But it can get a school and teachers into hot water if it looks like the black kids are being tracked to the lower cohort. Maybe some objective criteria independent of the school itself gets used to allay this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree. I never wanted my kid on a longer bus ride than needed. The MVC lady will never be satisfied because all that matters is MVC to her but really cohorted English in grade 9 would benefit massive numbers of students. It doesn't cost money for new teachers to cohort based on reading and writing levels.

But it can get a school and teachers into hot water if it looks like the black kids are being tracked to the lower cohort. Maybe some objective criteria independent of the school itself gets used to allay this issue.

How many Black kids are at Blair or Poolesville SMCS, or RMIB?