Which colleges are considered the "Little Ivies"?

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.


This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed


The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?


The 2200 people in a short (and very profitable) summer program should not be considered fulltime students for calculating endowment per student or as spending per student during the regular term. If you are too dense to understand that you are hopeless.
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Anonymous wrote:Parents so desperate for prestige and bragging rights keep telling themselves their kids attend ‘little ivy’ or ‘public ivy’.. well if this prestige seeking term is not made up then are you here asking which SLAC belong in the ‘little ivy’? Why are posters arguing about which ones belong from the 1950’s? You think people were not desperate for prestige back then?
I don’t see anyone debating whether or not Harvard is an Ivy?
You all have serious insecurities!


OMFG you are dense, just dense. You should probably stay away from adult conversations.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Endowment per student doesn't translate into a better educational experience. All of these schools with $1B+ endowments have enough money to provide excellent facilities, hire top talent, and provide robust financial aid packages. At a certain point, it's just hoarding, really. Princeton's endowment per student is $3.7M. Does Williams provide half as good an educational experience because its endowment per student is $1.7M?

And Colby didn't just add $150M to its endowment. They received a gift that has a specific purpose--to build a new science complex. You don't seem to know much about how endowments work.

Endowment money is usually geared to a specific purpose. It will be calculated in — until it’s used.

Regardless, Colby still doesn’t have the endowment to compete with the big boys. You don’t seem to realize that it matters when a school has 3x the per capita endowment of Midd. It matters in all sorts of ways…
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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.


Spittle screed tells us all we need to know.



Oh, honey. Bless your heart. We know you want it to be the same. It's adorable, like when a toddler puts on a plastic firefighter helmet and thinks he's a real hero.

So you're saying these little schools are amazing, elite, and prestigious schools that... can't stand on its own name? The entire brand identity is based on being a knock-off of a better brand. Congratulations on the 'Almost-Patek,' I guess.



The cringe. My God so embarrassing.


Cringe is pretending the Ivy League is not just an athletic conference and accepting the fact that your school is not in it. Calling it a 'Little Ivy' is like your husband calling his golf cart a 'Little Ferrari.' It's not fooling anyone, but if the fantasy makes you happy, by all means, carry on.


I’m sure that is exactly what people were thinking back in 1955 when the term was first coined. It’s time for Karen to stop day drinking and taker her meds.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.

So MIIS was a problem and was taking resources from the community? You people change your story every minute.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.


Spittle screed tells us all we need to know.



Oh, honey. Bless your heart. We know you want it to be the same. It's adorable, like when a toddler puts on a plastic firefighter helmet and thinks he's a real hero.

So you're saying these little schools are amazing, elite, and prestigious schools that... can't stand on its own name? The entire brand identity is based on being a knock-off of a better brand. Congratulations on the 'Almost-Patek,' I guess.



Honey, we don’t want them to be the same as the Ivy League. That would be a step down darling and we aren’t good with that.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Endowment per student doesn't translate into a better educational experience. All of these schools with $1B+ endowments have enough money to provide excellent facilities, hire top talent, and provide robust financial aid packages. At a certain point, it's just hoarding, really. Princeton's endowment per student is $3.7M. Does Williams provide half as good an educational experience because its endowment per student is $1.7M?

And Colby didn't just add $150M to its endowment. They received a gift that has a specific purpose--to build a new science complex. You don't seem to know much about how endowments work.

In terms of volumes of opportunities, I’d say 100% yes. Princeton essentially operates as a liberal arts college while having some of the best academic resources in the world.


If that is what you say then you would be 100% wrong because by your thinking Princeton would be about 20x as good Goddard’s as Columbia or Cornell and does that really make any sense?
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It is a sports league but we all know it symbolizes much more, otherwise we’d be discussing little big ten’s and the like.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.

Why is their raising endowment important? I thought you were saying it wasn’t.
In terms of math “falling off”, yes, they only need a $280 million donation in the next two years to equal Hamilton’s per capita. Maybe you could help?
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Endowment per student doesn't translate into a better educational experience. All of these schools with $1B+ endowments have enough money to provide excellent facilities, hire top talent, and provide robust financial aid packages. At a certain point, it's just hoarding, really. Princeton's endowment per student is $3.7M. Does Williams provide half as good an educational experience because its endowment per student is $1.7M?

And Colby didn't just add $150M to its endowment. They received a gift that has a specific purpose--to build a new science complex. You don't seem to know much about how endowments work.

In terms of volumes of opportunities, I’d say 100% yes. Princeton essentially operates as a liberal arts college while having some of the best academic resources in the world.


If that is what you say then you would be 100% wrong because by your thinking Princeton would be about 20x as good Goddard’s as Columbia or Cornell and does that really make any sense?

Yes it does. If you're an undergrad at Princeton, you have it made. I'm not sure why you think otherwise, other than being very stubborn in opinion.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Endowment per student doesn't translate into a better educational experience. All of these schools with $1B+ endowments have enough money to provide excellent facilities, hire top talent, and provide robust financial aid packages. At a certain point, it's just hoarding, really. Princeton's endowment per student is $3.7M. Does Williams provide half as good an educational experience because its endowment per student is $1.7M?

And Colby didn't just add $150M to its endowment. They received a gift that has a specific purpose--to build a new science complex. You don't seem to know much about how endowments work.

Endowment money is usually geared to a specific purpose. It will be calculated in — until it’s used.

Regardless, Colby still doesn’t have the endowment to compete with the big boys. You don’t seem to realize that it matters when a school has 3x the per capita endowment of Midd. It matters in all sorts of ways…


Name one, an actual one where Williams, Amherst, and Bowdoin provide opportunities significantly different than at Hamilton, Middlebury, Wesleyan, or Colby? I used to work at one of the schools in the list. I also spent time at CMC so I’m pretty good in this space…..think hard, really hard and give it your best shot. We’ll be waiting.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!


Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.


Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.


So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/


Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.

Why is their raising endowment important? I thought you were saying it wasn’t.
In terms of math “falling off”, yes, they only need a $280 million donation in the next two years to equal Hamilton’s per capita. Maybe you could help?


They drop 800 students from their number in two years my little friend. Raising endowments is a key goal for all of these schools. Middlebury has made no secret about wanting to move up relative to their peers. I would be surprised if there was a school in their peer list who didn’t have a capital campaign going on. It is non stop for all of them.
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