Which colleges are considered the "Little Ivies"?

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Most ivies don't travel very far. You happened to go to the most recognizable university in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!

Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.

Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.

So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/

Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.

Why is their raising endowment important? I thought you were saying it wasn’t.
In terms of math “falling off”, yes, they only need a $280 million donation in the next two years to equal Hamilton’s per capita. Maybe you could help?

They drop 800 students from their number in two years my little friend. Raising endowments is a key goal for all of these schools. Middlebury has made no secret about wanting to move up relative to their peers. I would be surprised if there was a school in their peer list who didn’t have a capital campaign going on. It is non stop for all of them.

That number already is not factored into the per capita levels from the cite provided. The more you talk, the worse Midd looks.

? Math isn’t your strong suit I guess.

That 800 students is the FTE graduate population at MIIS.

That is 500, not 800: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Monterey&s=all&id=119058#enrolmt
That brings Midd per capita to 525k; Hamilton’s is still 83k per student more. So, yes, Midd only needs a $220 million donation in the next 2 years to compete with Hamilton (assuming Hamilton’s stays the same, which it won’t) on the endowment front. $250 minimum to be safe. To help you more with Math — and you need help — you would need to pay me. Don’t do that: donate to Midd. They need it! Guess all of their Wall Streeters are cheap…

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

I love watchin this slow motion trainwreck called DCUM. The toxic neediness is crazy.

You just added a grad school into the debate, contributing nothing other than a needy brag on your part. Hopefully while you were at HBS you learned the difference between apples and oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree Midd is in decline as is Trinity and Wesleyan. Colby on an upward trajectory!

Colby was ranked #11 in USNews in 2022. Last year it was 25. Doesn't sound much like an upward trajectory to me!

Colby just got a ton of money. But US News does not decide things on this front, in any event. Observers know which way certain colleges are “moving.” Midd is not in the decline because of US News methodology, but because of its own, well-documented issues.

Well discussed and well understood.

There are no “issues” at Middlebury but there was a well documented change the USNWR methodology regarding which IPEDs number was used for determining the student population which had a big impact on their resources per student calculation because the using the 12 month number added 2200 summer language school kids to their population when calculating resources per student. Forbes made a similar change and Middlebury is no longer ranked as a small school though it did not affect their overall ranking in Forbes.

So their resources per student were accurately tabulated and that’s bad?

Midd endowment per student - not counting these summer kids - is just not on the same level as top SLACs. WASP, Bowdoin, and Grinnell have way over a million in endowment per student;Washington and Lee and Wellesley, a million; Claremont McKenna and Smith, over 750k; Davidson, Hamilton, Carleton, 600k; and Midd, Colby and Reed below 500k (but Colby just got wealthier). https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent/

Raising their endowment is important to them I am sure but your math is quickly falling off. Middlebury’s endowment per student already surpasses Cornell and Columbia. In two years when they are finished shedding MIIS it will surpass Hamilton in the NESCAC as well as Brown and probably Penn. I think that they will be ok.

So MIIS was a problem and was taking resources from the community? You people change your story every minute.

To be fair, most people I know who are affiliated with Middlebury's undergrad college have been saying for years that MIIS needs to go.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Most ivies don't travel very far. You happened to go to the most recognizable university in the world.

Agreed. For Princeton they will look at the international rankings and think it’s second-rate. Anyhow, the Williams poster does not seem self-aware that Williams opened the door to HBS. I suspect we have an Williams athlete.

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Reed is my prime go to that the SAT really didn’t measure much of worth. They have PhD matriculation rates better than the vast majority of peers and aspirant peers (Pomona, Williams, etc), yet their SAT is lower than some of these schools’ 25th percentile. We don’t talk enough about how much all of this is cultural.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Completely agree. I worked in London for 10 years and no one there had even heard of Pomona. They seemed to feel sorry for me when I mentioned I went there. In contrast, my JD from Penn was fully respected and understood and was the degree that opened up all the doors. So much for my so-called WASP degree lol.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Completely agree. I worked in London for 10 years and no one there had even heard of Pomona. They seemed to feel sorry for me when I mentioned I went there. In contrast, my JD from Penn was fully respected and understood and was the degree that opened up all the doors. So much for my so-called WASP degree lol.

Except for the fact that it got you into Carey…?

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Completely agree. I worked in London for 10 years and no one there had even heard of Pomona. They seemed to feel sorry for me when I mentioned I went there. In contrast, my JD from Penn was fully respected and understood and was the degree that opened up all the doors. So much for my so-called WASP degree lol.

Except for the fact that it got you into Carey…?

These stories are fiction, don't pay any mind to them.

The 'Little Ivy' conversation wasn't working out well for them so it was time for some redirection. A term coined in the mid 1950's right after the Ivy league came together specifically to acknowledge a group of colleges that were equal but smaller as described by Academics themselves wasn't lending itself to the current angst over 'nothing could possibly equal the Ivy League' though there are quite a few schools with better resources, endowments per student, or results depending on the school or major. Their narrative was falling apart and thus the conversation needed to change.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Most ivies don't travel very far. You happened to go to the most recognizable university in the world.

Sure, but my your commentary is just not true. My husband went to Cornell. And Cornell’s name recognition internationally is miles ahead of DCUM’s darlings: Dartmouth & Brown.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

I love watchin this slow motion trainwreck called DCUM. The toxic neediness is crazy.

You just added a grad school into the debate, contributing nothing other than a needy brag on your part. Hopefully while you were at HBS you learned the difference between apples and oranges.

It looks like Williams/HBS mom got on your nerves….She wasnt comparing apples to oranges. You are. She simply said Apples are not recognized anywhere else outside the eastern seaboard…..while Oranges open doors that apples never could outside of the US. Not that difficult to understand….

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Most ivies don't travel very far. You happened to go to the most recognizable university in the world.

Sure, but my your commentary is just not true. My husband went to Cornell. And Cornell’s name recognition internationally is miles ahead of DCUM’s darlings: Dartmouth & Brown.

Why does international reputation matter when it comes to undergraduate education?

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With respect to earlier decades, when considered by SAT profiles, Amherst and Williams compared with Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Columbia; Hamilton compared with Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell; and Bowdoin and Middlebury compared with Penn:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ykQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=life+magazine+1960+college+admission+tufts+bowdoin&source=bl&ots=5BKi5WV8SQ&sig=GFl_LycVnJV8AGIXLX2P9kW97I0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sO1TT4uPK-jm0QG8ifC3DQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Such relationships may suggest that some Little Ivies were aspirational destinations in relation to some Ivies at that time.

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Anonymous wrote:SORRY parents of kids on these little LACs. NO your kid is NOT PART OF ANY IVY…..You can call it whatever you want. Pretend someone in the 50’s coined the term. Blablablablablabla.

Completely irrelevant. You are NOT and will NEVER BE Ivy. Sure, some SLACS are amazing, but STOP TRYING TO PRETEND YOU ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE NOT.

This is unnecessarily aggressive, but I agree with the general thought. My kid goes to a “Public Ivy” but I would never use that term. It’s ridiculous and to me says that the user is aiming for the listener to be impressed

The user asked a question and it wasn’t about someone trying to create “false prestige” relative to 8 very different schools who happen to be in an athletic conference. The team “little Ivy” was coined at least 80 years ago, long before rankings became a thing. It was first used soon after the Ivy League itself was formed in 1954 and was specifically coined in reference to a set of schools who provided an education equal to the Ivies but were lesser known because of their size and focus on undergraduate education.

I know that it makes some people on DCUM butt hurt to be confronted with the fact that that before rise of the nonsense these schools were considered equal to the Ivies but they were. And, they still are for undergraduate education whether they want to admit it or not.

It's genuinely quaint listening to this debate, and I say this as someone who loved my time at Williams years ago. This entire 'Little Ivy' conversation is for people who have never had to compete for a deal or a meeting outside of the US. Go ahead, have your kid drop 'NESCAC champion' in a boardroom in Berlin and see how that goes.

My husband and I had the pleasure of working internationally for 25 years. Mycareer taught me the difference between a great school and a global brand. My HBS degree opened doors internationally that Williams simply couldn't. The 'Little Ivy' tag is a comforting fantasy for a domestic audience. Just an attempt to bridge a gap that, from my experience, is more of a chasm.

It's a simple lesson. A Williams degree is a key that opens some very important doors on the Eastern Seaboard. An Ivy League brand, whether we like to admit it or not, is a diplomatic passport that's recognized in every capital in the world. By all means, be proud of your key, but don't ever confuse it for a passport.

Most ivies don't travel very far. You happened to go to the most recognizable university in the world.

Sure, but my your commentary is just not true. My husband went to Cornell. And Cornell’s name recognition internationally is miles ahead of DCUM’s darlings: Dartmouth & Brown.

I said nothing about Cornell, Dartmouth, or Brown. You actually agreed with me.

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This thread is utterly pathetic.