Where to apply: middle of the class but from T20 private hs. 1560 sat. Very good EC in school and outside.

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Looked at UK schools?

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Anonymous wrote:At our non-DMV private (strong academic class) NYU is an easy shoe-in for middle of the class IF they apply ED and/or they are open to start their freshman year abroad for one semester (London, China, Middle East).

Um, it's "shoo in."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+ male
+ full pay
+ regional awards (multi state)

Interests in applied ethics and AI. Could apply as philosophy.

School is reallly pushing Chicago and he doesn’t want that so looking at options p

School is pushing Chicago because that is likely the highest ranked school kid can get into with the relative rank.
If you do not like it, ask for other "target" options.
Top boarding and day schools are all over the Boston area, and they publish their SAT ranges on profiles for families. Some of these would be considered T20 high schools. Maybe one is yours. Not a single one of these top high schools has a median SAT of 1560(many are at or just above 1500 though). In other words, your kid has a top SAT score but average grades: that says to AOs that they are not studying as hard as they could, and might not be ready for the competition of ivy-level. The average unhooked kids from these schools go to ND, Bowdoin, NYU, Emory etc. UChicago is not common for truly average, most are top-30-40%, but with the 1560 and since the CC is pushing, it must be in range for your kid. That is pretty impressive to have a shot at a T12 as an average student! Is he sure he does not like it? That school opens almost as many doors as an ivy. Ask specific colleges that would be good ED besides Chicago. Your CC will know your high school's track record better than anyone on the internet.

Obviously this poster didn't attend a "top 20" private or presumably they would have learned to write cohesively.

In any event, the bolded sentence leaves no doubt that they're pulling schools out of their ass and have no idea what they're talking about. Why? Middle of the class grads of top 20 privates don't go to Notre Dame for two reasons. One -- they wouldn't get in. Two -- they don't even apply. Notre Dame is simply not a target for students attending non-Catholic top tier privates. They're just not interested. Take a look at the websites for virtually every non-Catholic top tier private and their college matriculations and you'll barely see Notre Dame in any of them.

This website was bad enough with its misinformation and bullshit before it was overrun with non-DMV people. Now it's worse because we're stuck with the clueless from all over the country.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s one of these top 20 high schools?

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-private-high-schools/

Non-boarding day school list:

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

At any of these schools, this kid gets into Brown level schools ED. Provided not a lot of other hooked peers EDing.

No.
NCS, Sidwell, and Gilman are all on the list. Not for 3.5 gpa kids.

I thought gpa was 3.7/3.75uw?

Did OP say that? I must have missed it. The title says middle of the class, which is typically 3.5 in a top private that does not inflate.

Since rigorous privates have competitive admission, they can usually choose strong/A students coming in from middle school so there are few average students academically. That said, from my experience a middle 50% gpa at a rigorous private would be around 3.6 due to the lack of inflation. Top half ranges from just below an A- (very high B+) to an A average. Ofc, rigor matters a lot!

Not at our top private. No one gets a solid A average. 2 A, 2 A- and 1 B+ would put you in top 25%. Last year a core subject teacher gave majority of her class C’s in the final.

Same at our private. And my kid got into T10 with that grade…

Yeah, more bullshit that you hear all the time. The grading systems and distribution for virtually all of these schools is available on line, and there are very, very few schools of even the highest ilk where there isn't grade inflation. These posters throw this shit out cloaked in anonymity so you can't believe a word they say. And they all say "oh MY, not at MY school! We're different!"

Bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:We New Yorkers are taking over here because we don't have a better alternative. I should tell my kid to start one - include a bunch of ads to monetize it and it would make for a great essay.

Worst case, looks like it's University of Illinois!

Then do us a favor and stop coming on here and saying that your top schools are better than ours because obviously your guidance departments suck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+ male
+ full pay
+ regional awards (multi state)

Interests in applied ethics and AI. Could apply as philosophy.

School is reallly pushing Chicago and he doesn’t want that so looking at options p

School is pushing Chicago because that is likely the highest ranked school kid can get into with the relative rank.
If you do not like it, ask for other "target" options.
Top boarding and day schools are all over the Boston area, and they publish their SAT ranges on profiles for families. Some of these would be considered T20 high schools. Maybe one is yours. Not a single one of these top high schools has a median SAT of 1560(many are at or just above 1500 though). In other words, your kid has a top SAT score but average grades: that says to AOs that they are not studying as hard as they could, and might not be ready for the competition of ivy-level. The average unhooked kids from these schools go to ND, Bowdoin, NYU, Emory etc. UChicago is not common for truly average, most are top-30-40%, but with the 1560 and since the CC is pushing, it must be in range for your kid. That is pretty impressive to have a shot at a T12 as an average student! Is he sure he does not like it? That school opens almost as many doors as an ivy. Ask specific colleges that would be good ED besides Chicago. Your CC will know your high school's track record better than anyone on the internet.

Obviously this poster didn't attend a "top 20" private or presumably they would have learned to write cohesively.

In any event, the bolded sentence leaves no doubt that they're pulling schools out of their ass and have no idea what they're talking about. Why? Middle of the class grads of top 20 privates don't go to Notre Dame for two reasons. One -- they wouldn't get in. Two -- they don't even apply. Notre Dame is simply not a target for students attending non-Catholic top tier privates. They're just not interested. Take a look at the websites for virtually every non-Catholic top tier private and their college matriculations and you'll barely see Notre Dame in any of them.

This website was bad enough with its misinformation and bullshit before it was overrun with non-DMV people. Now it's worse because we're stuck with the clueless from all over the country.

Notre Dame lol.. pretty soon we will be talking about Ohio state university ( better than Notre Dame in football, one thing that it does well)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s one of these top 20 high schools?

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-private-high-schools/

Non-boarding day school list:

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

DCs’ school is on top 20 of this list. I just checked our scattergram:
- Dartmouth and Cornell took kids down to 3.8 but all from ED only. SAT 1470-1570
- Chicago took down to 3.7 but also only from ED
- Tufts and Emory took 3.7 kids in RD. Some SAT under 1500
Acceptance rate for all above 22-29%

Throw that list in the academic dustbin.

Here is the alumni list for Trinity:
Alumni include tennis star John McEnroe, fashion consultant Stacy London, actors Humphrey Bogart and Larry Hagman, singer-songwriter Sophie B. Hawkins, cellist Yo-Yo Ma, novelists Truman Capote and Colson Whitehead, and filmmaker Oliver Stone

😂 😂 lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it’s one of these top 20 high schools?

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-private-high-schools/

Non-boarding day school list:

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

DCs’ school is on top 20 of this list. I just checked our scattergram:
- Dartmouth and Cornell took kids down to 3.8 but all from ED only. SAT 1470-1570
- Chicago took down to 3.7 but also only from ED
- Tufts and Emory took 3.7 kids in RD. Some SAT under 1500
Acceptance rate for all above 22-29%

Throw that list in the academic dustbin.

Here is the alumni list for Trinity:
Alumni include tennis star John McEnroe, fashion consultant Stacy London, actors Humphrey Bogart and Larry Hagman, singer-songwriter Sophie B. Hawkins, cellist Yo-Yo Ma, novelists Truman Capote and Colson Whitehead, and filmmaker Oliver Stone

😂 😂 lol

Please go away. You're not helping or even trolling effectively. You're just coming across as a crazy old weirdo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+ male
+ full pay
+ regional awards (multi state)

Interests in applied ethics and AI. Could apply as philosophy.

School is reallly pushing Chicago and he doesn’t want that so looking at options p

School is pushing Chicago because that is likely the highest ranked school kid can get into with the relative rank.
If you do not like it, ask for other "target" options.
Top boarding and day schools are all over the Boston area, and they publish their SAT ranges on profiles for families. Some of these would be considered T20 high schools. Maybe one is yours. Not a single one of these top high schools has a median SAT of 1560(many are at or just above 1500 though). In other words, your kid has a top SAT score but average grades: that says to AOs that they are not studying as hard as they could, and might not be ready for the competition of ivy-level. The average unhooked kids from these schools go to ND, Bowdoin, NYU, Emory etc. UChicago is not common for truly average, most are top-30-40%, but with the 1560 and since the CC is pushing, it must be in range for your kid. That is pretty impressive to have a shot at a T12 as an average student! Is he sure he does not like it? That school opens almost as many doors as an ivy. Ask specific colleges that would be good ED besides Chicago. Your CC will know your high school's track record better than anyone on the internet.

Obviously this poster didn't attend a "top 20" private or presumably they would have learned to write cohesively.

In any event, the bolded sentence leaves no doubt that they're pulling schools out of their ass and have no idea what they're talking about. Why? Middle of the class grads of top 20 privates don't go to Notre Dame for two reasons. One -- they wouldn't get in. Two -- they don't even apply. Notre Dame is simply not a target for students attending non-Catholic top tier privates. They're just not interested. Take a look at the websites for virtually every non-Catholic top tier private and their college matriculations and you'll barely see Notre Dame in any of them.

This website was bad enough with its misinformation and bullshit before it was overrun with non-DMV people. Now it's worse because we're stuck with the clueless from all over the country.

Agree ND seems odd. Regis is the only one I know of that sends middle of the class to ND. But Regis doesn’t feed Bowdoin. They do feed NYU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+ male
+ full pay
+ regional awards (multi state)

Interests in applied ethics and AI. Could apply as philosophy.

School is reallly pushing Chicago and he doesn’t want that so looking at options p

School is pushing Chicago because that is likely the highest ranked school kid can get into with the relative rank.
If you do not like it, ask for other "target" options.
Top boarding and day schools are all over the Boston area, and they publish their SAT ranges on profiles for families. Some of these would be considered T20 high schools. Maybe one is yours. Not a single one of these top high schools has a median SAT of 1560(many are at or just above 1500 though). In other words, your kid has a top SAT score but average grades: that says to AOs that they are not studying as hard as they could, and might not be ready for the competition of ivy-level. The average unhooked kids from these schools go to ND, Bowdoin, NYU, Emory etc. UChicago is not common for truly average, most are top-30-40%, but with the 1560 and since the CC is pushing, it must be in range for your kid. That is pretty impressive to have a shot at a T12 as an average student! Is he sure he does not like it? That school opens almost as many doors as an ivy. Ask specific colleges that would be good ED besides Chicago. Your CC will know your high school's track record better than anyone on the internet.

Obviously this poster didn't attend a "top 20" private or presumably they would have learned to write cohesively.

In any event, the bolded sentence leaves no doubt that they're pulling schools out of their ass and have no idea what they're talking about. Why? Middle of the class grads of top 20 privates don't go to Notre Dame for two reasons. One -- they wouldn't get in. Two -- they don't even apply. Notre Dame is simply not a target for students attending non-Catholic top tier privates. They're just not interested. Take a look at the websites for virtually every non-Catholic top tier private and their college matriculations and you'll barely see Notre Dame in any of them.

This website was bad enough with its misinformation and bullshit before it was overrun with non-DMV people. Now it's worse because we're stuck with the clueless from all over the country.

This may be changing. My DC went to the accepted students event at Notre Dame last year, and met a contingent of students from Exeter and other boarding schools. Said they didn't seem typical of the rest of the crowd. Perhaps they matriculated elsewhere, but some are applying (and being accepted).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+ male
+ full pay
+ regional awards (multi state)

Interests in applied ethics and AI. Could apply as philosophy.

School is reallly pushing Chicago and he doesn’t want that so looking at options p

School is pushing Chicago because that is likely the highest ranked school kid can get into with the relative rank.
If you do not like it, ask for other "target" options.
Top boarding and day schools are all over the Boston area, and they publish their SAT ranges on profiles for families. Some of these would be considered T20 high schools. Maybe one is yours. Not a single one of these top high schools has a median SAT of 1560(many are at or just above 1500 though). In other words, your kid has a top SAT score but average grades: that says to AOs that they are not studying as hard as they could, and might not be ready for the competition of ivy-level. The average unhooked kids from these schools go to ND, Bowdoin, NYU, Emory etc. UChicago is not common for truly average, most are top-30-40%, but with the 1560 and since the CC is pushing, it must be in range for your kid. That is pretty impressive to have a shot at a T12 as an average student! Is he sure he does not like it? That school opens almost as many doors as an ivy. Ask specific colleges that would be good ED besides Chicago. Your CC will know your high school's track record better than anyone on the internet.

Obviously this poster didn't attend a "top 20" private or presumably they would have learned to write cohesively.

In any event, the bolded sentence leaves no doubt that they're pulling schools out of their ass and have no idea what they're talking about. Why? Middle of the class grads of top 20 privates don't go to Notre Dame for two reasons. One -- they wouldn't get in. Two -- they don't even apply. Notre Dame is simply not a target for students attending non-Catholic top tier privates. They're just not interested. Take a look at the websites for virtually every non-Catholic top tier private and their college matriculations and you'll barely see Notre Dame in any of them.

This website was bad enough with its misinformation and bullshit before it was overrun with non-DMV people. Now it's worse because we're stuck with the clueless from all over the country.

This may be changing. My DC went to the accepted students event at Notre Dame last year, and met a contingent of students from Exeter and other boarding schools. Said they didn't seem typical of the rest of the crowd. Perhaps they matriculated elsewhere, but some are applying (and being accepted).

I'm sure some are applying and being accepted etc., and it wouldn't surprise me if it were on the increase but the poster presented it like it was a typical thing and it just isn't.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s one of these top 20 high schools?

https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-private-high-schools/

Non-boarding day school list:

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

At any of these schools, this kid gets into Brown level schools ED. Provided not a lot of other hooked peers EDing.

No.
NCS, Sidwell, and Gilman are all on the list. Not for 3.5 gpa kids.

I thought gpa was 3.7/3.75uw?

Did OP say that? I must have missed it. The title says middle of the class, which is typically 3.5 in a top private that does not inflate.

Since rigorous privates have competitive admission, they can usually choose strong/A students coming in from middle school so there are few average students academically. That said, from my experience a middle 50% gpa at a rigorous private would be around 3.6 due to the lack of inflation. Top half ranges from just below an A- (very high B+) to an A average. Ofc, rigor matters a lot!

Not at our top private. No one gets a solid A average. 2 A, 2 A- and 1 B+ would put you in top 25%. Last year a core subject teacher gave majority of her class C’s in the final.

Same at our private. And my kid got into T10 with that grade…

Got into T10 with what grade?

B-

this didn't happen. Not even for a multi-million donor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Chicago would be the highest status place that would like your DC's profile. Why is he hesitant? That info could help us suggest other options.

I'd think for this student a massive state flagship might be interesting.

Depending on the awards, maybe Brown or a SLAC.

Brown is not going to be excited about an applicant who is middle of the class in terms of GPA. SATs are good, but tons of other kids have that.

brown will take middle of the class from collegiate and trinity, for example. male boost. most apply early

Not with a crazy hook they won't. ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

Vanderbilt, USC, if ECs really compelling REA Stanford