Where to apply: middle of the class but from T20 private hs. 1560 sat. Very good EC in school and outside.

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Awful UChicago and "bottom 4 ivies" - as if anyone responding attended or has a kid attending. The actual HYP alums don't do this, so you show yourself easily.

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If you all are not in DC then why not identify what schools you're actually talking about? It doesn't help anyone to say "my kid attends a top private somewhere in the world. What colleges will take a kid with his stats from this unnamed school?"

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Anonymous wrote:If you all are not in DC then why not identify what schools you're actually talking about? It doesn't help anyone to say "my kid attends a top private somewhere in the world. What colleges will take a kid with his stats from this unnamed school?"

OP previously said she was in the top 20 privates listed in the links on page 5 - do a little digging and read the previous pages.

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Agree. And Columbia may actually be at the very bottom.
No one we know chose it in RD from our private - and so many got called from the WL. Everyone turned it down. For other private T20.
The folks who had ED had a bit of buyer's remorse too.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all are not in DC then why not identify what schools you're actually talking about? It doesn't help anyone to say "my kid attends a top private somewhere in the world. What colleges will take a kid with his stats from this unnamed school?"

OP previously said she was in the top 20 privates listed in the links on page 5 - do a little digging and read the previous pages.

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

So basically op has given us zero info. Thus thread is a complete waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all are not in DC then why not identify what schools you're actually talking about? It doesn't help anyone to say "my kid attends a top private somewhere in the world. What colleges will take a kid with his stats from this unnamed school?"

OP previously said she was in the top 20 privates listed in the links on page 5 - do a little digging and read the previous pages.

https://thebestschools.org/rankings/k-12/best-private-schools/

So basically op has given us zero info. Thus thread is a complete waste of time.

Then don't click on this thread. As simple as that.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Columbia is in a bad spot at the moment but at our kids' TT NYC HS Columbia and Brown were easily the most desirable Ivies after HYP -- Brown much more so this year, for obvious reasons. After that, Penn then Cornell. Dartmouth is an outlier, closer to Williams than the other ivies.

Vandy, Chicago etc are for an entirely different kind of student, much less competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Columbia is in a bad spot at the moment but at our kids' TT NYC HS Columbia and Brown were easily the most desirable Ivies after HYP -- Brown much more so this year, for obvious reasons. After that, Penn then Cornell. Dartmouth is an outlier, closer to Williams than the other ivies.

Vandy, Chicago etc are for an entirely different kind of student, much less competitive.

At our school top kids go for M, H, Stanford, Hopkins, U Chicago , Caltech & CMU.
Next tier goes to Duke/Penn.

Next up : Columbia/Cornel/Brown etc

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Columbia is in a bad spot at the moment but at our kids' TT NYC HS Columbia and Brown were easily the most desirable Ivies after HYP -- Brown much more so this year, for obvious reasons. After that, Penn then Cornell. Dartmouth is an outlier, closer to Williams than the other ivies.

Vandy, Chicago etc are for an entirely different kind of student, much less competitive.

At our kids NYC private, the order of schools in your first paragraph are different. But you are right about Vandy and Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Columbia is in a bad spot at the moment but at our kids' TT NYC HS Columbia and Brown were easily the most desirable Ivies after HYP -- Brown much more so this year, for obvious reasons. After that, Penn then Cornell. Dartmouth is an outlier, closer to Williams than the other ivies.

Vandy, Chicago etc are for an entirely different kind of student, much less competitive.

At our kids NYC private, the order of schools in your first paragraph are different. But you are right about Vandy and Chicago.

At our school Vanderbilt it literally HYP level year-in and year-out--it's ridiculous (and no, I have zero affiliation with the school).
Chicago takes middle of the pack kids--down to about a 3.5.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Columbia is in a bad spot at the moment but at our kids' TT NYC HS Columbia and Brown were easily the most desirable Ivies after HYP -- Brown much more so this year, for obvious reasons. After that, Penn then Cornell. Dartmouth is an outlier, closer to Williams than the other ivies.

Vandy, Chicago etc are for an entirely different kind of student, much less competitive.

also in NY TT. similar list but not quite

most desired - HYPM and Duke and Wharton
next - brown, Columbia. williams, stanford
next - Georgetown, ND, BC, non-Wharton Penn, Cal, Cornell
next - wide range rice, northwestern, midd, Bowdoin, USC, UCLA,

Vandy and Chicago - 3.75 full pay kids who are smart enough to know to lock it down.
Dartmouth and CalTech hardly get any apps. JHU not popular, usually a third choice (not sure why, that campus looks so nice right now). Columbia still very popular this year, which surprised me a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Chicago would be the highest status place that would like your DC's profile. Why is he hesitant? That info could help us suggest other options.

I'd think for this student a massive state flagship might be interesting.

Depending on the awards, maybe Brown or a SLAC.

Brown is not going to be excited about an applicant who is middle of the class in terms of GPA. SATs are good, but tons of other kids have that.

Yes, but if applicant is a boy and has big / important awards, Brown might work.

Brown deferred the top5 in the class boy who applied as a humanities major from our T20 private this year and only admitted him RD. Yes he was eventually admitted but they didn't jump for him REA (and therefore took the chance at losing him to other schools).

Brown is not a given by any means.

Actually I should re-phrase this. Brown is a no-way in hell for a middle of the pack kid. There really is no other top20 that wants middle-of-the-pack kids from a top private.

100% agree and I don’t care what top private or boarding school, not happening for middle of class. Brown and others are very high stats all around plus the something special.

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I'm at a top 20 (maybe 25) high school. The issue is it's very hard to get into this high school and similar. Schools that they use in movies to conjure up "privilege". And it's the same metrics colleges use. These kids are all hooked in some way.

So we have the academic powerhouses, the children of the very rich (billionaires), the children of the heritage rich (millionaires), political powerhouse, or celeb - in all cases last names you know, we have the son of the doorman who showed great charisma and ends up debate captain which is top leadership, we have the kids who come in through the questbridge-but-for-prep-school like Prep for Prep and has done just fine in a PWI, we have the athletes who came in strong and then got the best of everything, often taking an extra year to get a little better.

And depending on the college and the year, every top 20 college wants some of each of these categories. And getting a 3.8 at these schools really does mean you can do the work in college, any college. These same kids have a 1540 on the SAT.

This won't end with college admissions. Would McKinsey or Goldman take a middle of the pack Harvard guy who was also an athlete or has major connections through dad? Yes, often. They'll assume the kid will wash out after a few years when the kid pulls more strings to get into HBS, but they'll take dad's connections while they can.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Agree. And Columbia may actually be at the very bottom.
No one we know chose it in RD from our private - and so many got called from the WL. Everyone turned it down. For other private T20.
The folks who had ED had a bit of buyer's remorse too.

Why? What changed between when they EDed and when they were required to attend?