Where to apply: middle of the class but from T20 private hs. 1560 sat. Very good EC in school and outside.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm at a top 20 (maybe 25) high school. The issue is it's very hard to get into this high school and similar. Schools that they use in movies to conjure up "privilege". And it's the same metrics colleges use. These kids are all hooked in some way.

So we have the academic powerhouses, the children of the very rich (billionaires), the children of the heritage rich (millionaires), political powerhouse, or celeb - in all cases last names you know, we have the son of the doorman who showed great charisma and ends up debate captain which is top leadership, we have the kids who come in through the questbridge-but-for-prep-school like Prep for Prep and has done just fine in a PWI, we have the athletes who came in strong and then got the best of everything, often taking an extra year to get a little better.

And depending on the college and the year, every top 20 college wants some of each of these categories. And getting a 3.8 at these schools really does mean you can do the work in college, any college. These same kids have a 1540 on the SAT.

This won't end with college admissions. Would McKinsey or Goldman take a middle of the pack Harvard guy who was also an athlete or has major connections through dad? Yes, often. They'll assume the kid will wash out after a few years when the kid pulls more strings to get into HBS, but they'll take dad's connections while they can.

💯 all this.
True at our non-east coast private.
And worked for my two 3.8uw kids.
Both at T10/Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Agree. And Columbia may actually be at the very bottom.
No one we know chose it in RD from our private - and so many got called from the WL. Everyone turned it down. For other private T20.
The folks who had ED had a bit of buyer's remorse too.

Why? What changed between when they EDed and when they were required to attend?

Some of the shine is gone. There was so many professors, leaving all of the transition at the top with their leadership the boards activities and the ongoing funding issues due to the agreement with the government. It’s a bit of a mess and the student experience will suffer for it.

And, agree on the waitlist points. No one we know also accepted their spots. It’s the least desirable of the bunch.
Much easier ED!!

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Anonymous wrote:Is this Horace Mann? They send a lot of kids to Chicago.

Yup - I think they had 20+ kids go to Chicago a year or two ago. I guess those kids really like the color maroon.

HM is super rigorous and definitely where fun goes to die, so if you’re chasing brand name and can’t get into Ivies, Chicago would feel like home

Don’t put all ivies in one basket and think they are all alike. The bottom 4 ivies - low and lying- are so so..nothing to write home about.

Which are the bottom 4 ivies?

I'm guessing PP thinks top 4 are HYP + [ivy i got into]. LOL

Bottom 4 are obviously (not in order)

Brown

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

Not anymore. Columbia now at the bottom perhaps only slightly above Cornell.

After HYPMS, then the next most desirable tier seems to be Duke and Penn. Caltech is its only thing because its so niche. After those, it's Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Chicago, JHU, Vandy, etc.

Agree. And Columbia may actually be at the very bottom.
No one we know chose it in RD from our private - and so many got called from the WL. Everyone turned it down. For other private T20.
The folks who had ED had a bit of buyer's remorse too.

Why? What changed between when they EDed and when they were required to attend?

Some of the shine is gone. There was so many professors, leaving all of the transition at the top with their leadership the boards activities and the ongoing funding issues due to the agreement with the government. It’s a bit of a mess and the student experience will suffer for it.

And, agree on the waitlist points. No one we know also accepted their spots. It’s the least desirable of the bunch.
Much easier ED!!

Professors left? Do you have evidence for this or are you making it up? I have heard nothing of this at all.