Why is the US so handcuffed to Israel's preferences?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that US self interest is always secondary to Israel self interest. I've never understood why we subvert ourselves to whatever Israel wants - even when it hurts us.

Why is this always the case and it there any hope of breaking the cycle in the future?

Israel has become the mother lode of a Jewish Mother Guilting the US into paying for all sins committed against Jews beginning with Jehovah making Jews His chosen people.

It is way past time for Israelis to be wholly responsible for Israel and stop being a US protectorate. The cabal of American Jewish Billionaires can support Israel with the $$$$$$$$$$ trump has given them in tax breaks!

Can they pay us back the 300 billion dollars in aid we give them too? Maybe it's time they give us some aid since they have free healthcare and we don't.

I'm sure they're just waiting for the Palestinians to repay all the aid they received and used to build terror infrastructure instead of to build a civilized society.

Yes the Palestinians would love to be Israel.

Likely very true, given the results they have seen from the way they used the foreign aid they received. Choices have consequences, and it seems probable that many Gazans now regret their choices.

Yup, that's why you support the genocide against them.

What genocide? All I see is Israel defending itself against a genocide, which they prevent from happening to themselves. Aggressors are not innocent victims when they are beatenn back, they are merely losers in a fight they started themselves.

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The most antisemitic act is a genocidal state of Israel weaponizing the star of David, and justifying mass slaughter in the name of Judaism.

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I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

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Anonymous wrote:Wake up.

No one wants Iran to have nukes.

Not even the secular educated Iranians in Iran. Nor other mideastern Muslim countries. Or Europe. Or Africa. Or USA.

So everyone is going to keep playing dumb and let Israel take care of it.

The Iranians do not have nuclear weapons, have not been moving forward with development, do not have fissionable material and are willing to negotiate. Israel attacked and failed to do anything but hit civilians targets. Now we are forced to attack Iran because they are not developing nuclear weapons?

This is just Israeli hatred of Iran and manipulating the US.

Iran had material at 83% and a lot of material at 60%.
There is no non-military application of u235 at 60% purity.


They are pursuing a nuclear weapon.
Should we wait until they actually have nukes before we act?
How'd that work out with north korea?

lol You should have gone it alone because you are just pushing out Israel propaganda. Iran was not developing a bomb. No credible source say they were. They have not gone past 60% and were not work on anything.

Uh, huh. Tell us again why they were enriching uranium to 60% purity? And why their activities were buried deep underground to (try futilely to) hide and protect them? And why they refused and continue to refuse international inspections of their program?

https://www.sipri.org/commentary/essay/2021/why-iran-producing-60-cent-enriched-uranium

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-east/iran-israel-uranium-enrichment-b2770714.html

It takes a special kind of gullible to think the Iranian nuclear program had any non-military, non-genocidal purpose.

They do not have a weapon, do not have material to make a weapon and are not actively making a weapon. So why attack Iran now? Why attack at all? If Israel is so upset about this they should invade. This has nothing to do with US interests.

So waiting until Iran had a nuclear weapon would have been the smart move? Only to you. No civilized country thinks Iranian possession of a nuclear weapon would be beneficial for anyone or anything except advocates for expanding the Islamic Revolution beyond Iran.

Not incidentally, the Iranians maintained (past tense, after this past Monday) a death countdown clock directed at Israel's destruction. And you really think ignoring Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapon would have been better than removing their ability to realize their ambition? Only if you advocate for the violent destruction of Israel, in which case dialogue is pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that US self interest is always secondary to Israel self interest. I've never understood why we subvert ourselves to whatever Israel wants - even when it hurts us.

Why is this always the case and it there any hope of breaking the cycle in the future?

Israel has become the mother lode of a Jewish Mother Guilting the US into paying for all sins committed against Jews beginning with Jehovah making Jews His chosen people.

It is way past time for Israelis to be wholly responsible for Israel and stop being a US protectorate. The cabal of American Jewish Billionaires can support Israel with the $$$$$$$$$$ trump has given them in tax breaks!

Can they pay us back the 300 billion dollars in aid we give them too? Maybe it's time they give us some aid since they have free healthcare and we don't.

I'm sure they're just waiting for the Palestinians to repay all the aid they received and used to build terror infrastructure instead of to build a civilized society.

Yes the Palestinians would love to be Israel.

Likely very true, given the results they have seen from the way they used the foreign aid they received. Choices have consequences, and it seems probable that many Gazans now regret their choices.

Yup, that's why you support the genocide against them.

What genocide? All I see is Israel defending itself against a genocide, which they prevent from happening to themselves. Aggressors are not innocent victims when they are beatenn back, they are merely losers in a fight they started themselves.

Are you saying that if Israel stops bombing, that Hamas will kill 50k Jews in a genocide? I’m not sure how that would happen? They’re terrorists who seemed to have more “success” in their 10/7 terrorization than they hoped or expected. Have they been successful since then? Can you please explain how Hamas (not Palestinians) would effectively wage a genocide against the Jews if they stopped the bombing and the remaining hostages were returned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake up.

No one wants Iran to have nukes.

Not even the secular educated Iranians in Iran. Nor other mideastern Muslim countries. Or Europe. Or Africa. Or USA.

So everyone is going to keep playing dumb and let Israel take care of it.

The Iranians do not have nuclear weapons, have not been moving forward with development, do not have fissionable material and are willing to negotiate. Israel attacked and failed to do anything but hit civilians targets. Now we are forced to attack Iran because they are not developing nuclear weapons?

This is just Israeli hatred of Iran and manipulating the US.

Iran had material at 83% and a lot of material at 60%.
There is no non-military application of u235 at 60% purity.


They are pursuing a nuclear weapon.
Should we wait until they actually have nukes before we act?
How'd that work out with north korea?

lol You should have gone it alone because you are just pushing out Israel propaganda. Iran was not developing a bomb. No credible source say they were. They have not gone past 60% and were not work on anything.

Uh, huh. Tell us again why they were enriching uranium to 60% purity? And why their activities were buried deep underground to (try futilely to) hide and protect them? And why they refused and continue to refuse international inspections of their program?

https://www.sipri.org/commentary/essay/2021/why-iran-producing-60-cent-enriched-uranium

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-east/iran-israel-uranium-enrichment-b2770714.html

It takes a special kind of gullible to think the Iranian nuclear program had any non-military, non-genocidal purpose.

They do not have a weapon, do not have material to make a weapon and are not actively making a weapon. So why attack Iran now? Why attack at all? If Israel is so upset about this they should invade. This has nothing to do with US interests.

So waiting until Iran had a nuclear weapon would have been the smart move? Only to you. No civilized country thinks Iranian possession of a nuclear weapon would be beneficial for anyone or anything except advocates for expanding the Islamic Revolution beyond Iran.

Not incidentally, the Iranians maintained (past tense, after this past Monday) a death countdown clock directed at Israel's destruction. And you really think ignoring Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapon would have been better than removing their ability to realize their ambition? Only if you advocate for the violent destruction of Israel, in which case dialogue is pointless.

Here's some info about that lovely clock: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/with-death-clock-gone-khameneis-prophecy-lies-shattered/articleshow/122024732.cms?from=mdr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

Yes, well baking Israeli babies in ovens isn't a picnic either. Or maybe it is if you hate Israel that much.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems that US self interest is always secondary to Israel self interest. I've never understood why we subvert ourselves to whatever Israel wants - even when it hurts us.

Why is this always the case and it there any hope of breaking the cycle in the future?

Israel has become the mother lode of a Jewish Mother Guilting the US into paying for all sins committed against Jews beginning with Jehovah making Jews His chosen people.

It is way past time for Israelis to be wholly responsible for Israel and stop being a US protectorate. The cabal of American Jewish Billionaires can support Israel with the $$$$$$$$$$ trump has given them in tax breaks!

Can they pay us back the 300 billion dollars in aid we give them too? Maybe it's time they give us some aid since they have free healthcare and we don't.

I'm sure they're just waiting for the Palestinians to repay all the aid they received and used to build terror infrastructure instead of to build a civilized society.

Yes the Palestinians would love to be Israel.

Likely very true, given the results they have seen from the way they used the foreign aid they received. Choices have consequences, and it seems probable that many Gazans now regret their choices.

Yup, that's why you support the genocide against them.

What genocide? All I see is Israel defending itself against a genocide, which they prevent from happening to themselves. Aggressors are not innocent victims when they are beatenn back, they are merely losers in a fight they started themselves.

Are you saying that if Israel stops bombing, that Hamas will kill 50k Jews in a genocide? I’m not sure how that would happen? They’re terrorists who seemed to have more “success” in their 10/7 terrorization than they hoped or expected. Have they been successful since then? Can you please explain how Hamas (not Palestinians) would effectively wage a genocide against the Jews if they stopped the bombing and the remaining hostages were returned?

Ask that question against when the hostages have in fact been returned. Until then....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

DP. Was October the first day of human history? No?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

DP. Was October the first day of human history? No?

It was the first day of the conflict under discussion. Trying to re-litigate ancient grievances is a fool's errand; the Palestinians are a perfect example. Instead of moving beyond their miscalculation in rejecting their own country in 1948, they have ever since tried to duke it out with Israel, losing every time. Even if your little sob story about the dead brother is true, that death is attributable directly to Oct 7, not to anything which happened before he was born. And why stop there? Maybe you'd like to regale us with a story about rapes, murders, and kidnaping on Oct 7, and how those actions contributed to regional peace? Or maybe, just possibly, those actions are what brought the wrath of the IDF down on Gaza in righteous retaliation. Here's another story you can tell us, about the hostages still being held. Surely that little detail is nothing which is preventing a cessation of hostilities and further deaths in Gaza? Remind us again where responsibility lies for every single death in Gaza since Oct 7?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

October 7 was the cumulation of decades of a deadly apartheid state. If the residents of the Warsaw ghetto had made a similar insurgence into Nazi Poland would you have blamed them? You are looking at a tiny dot in the middle of a war.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

Touch some grass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

October 7 was the cumulation of decades of a deadly apartheid state. If the residents of the Warsaw ghetto had made a similar insurgence into Nazi Poland would you have blamed them? You are looking at a tiny dot in the middle of a war.

So you're saying Israel should not have left Gaza alone until Oct 7? It should have dispensed with the Palestinians when it could have in 1948, instead of leaving them alone except when they attacked? And Oct 7 was a reasonable response to grievances about land - murdering, raping, and kidnaping innocent civilians in a kibbutz and at a music festival, all good because, well, 1948? Nazi treatment of Jews does have a parallel in Palestinian treatment of Jews on Oct 7, but show me the death camps in Israel where Palestinians were systematically gassed en masse.

Sick and depraved doesn't begin to describe that kind of attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the small Palestinian boy who was asked what he was carrying in his backpack. He opened and showed the Journalist the bits and pieces of his baby brother’s body. That’s what comes to mind when I think of the Israeli flag.

How touching. Grow up and reflect on why his brother died. Who started that conflict? Does Oct 7 come to mind? If not, you're willfully blind.

October 7 was the cumulation of decades of a deadly apartheid state. If the residents of the Warsaw ghetto had made a similar insurgence into Nazi Poland would you have blamed them? You are looking at a tiny dot in the middle of a war.

So you're saying Israel should not have left Gaza alone until Oct 7? It should have dispensed with the Palestinians when it could have in 1948, instead of leaving them alone except when they attacked? And Oct 7 was a reasonable response to grievances about land - murdering, raping, and kidnaping innocent civilians in a kibbutz and at a music festival, all good because, well, 1948? Nazi treatment of Jews does have a parallel in Palestinian treatment of Jews on Oct 7, but show me the death camps in Israel where Palestinians were systematically gassed en masse.

Sick and depraved doesn't begin to describe that kind of attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

There is absolutely no moral high ground to be found between what happened Oct 7th and what's happened in Gaza since then. Anyone taking a side in that conflict is an enemy to all of the peaceful and loving people of the world.