What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to see how arbitrary the deportations of foreign students in this country can be, read this story of a PhD student from Japan who goes to BYU. His student visa was revoked due to a fishing license violation, which was dismissed by a judge. The student is a Mormon to boot, not a group exactly known for political rabble rousing or poor behavior.

“[His lawyer] told the Deseret News that his client went on a 2019 fishing activity with his Latter-day Saint ward. “He didn’t catch a fish — but because he was the organizer or the face of the activity, (Onda) was cited for harvesting more than their license permitted.”
Onda went to court, the attorney added, “but the prosecutor was like, ‘Yeah, we’re dismissing this’ — and it was dismissed.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2025/04/16/byu-grad-student-has-student-visa-revoked/

When I travel to foreign countries I obey ALL laws, even the ones I don't agree with. Foreigners here should do the same or not come. I won't even spit on the sidewalk in Singapore. So as dumb as his citation was, he was wrong.

There is no law in the U.S. that prohibits criticism of a foreign nation.

Also, the suggestion that there should be such a law is an abomination.

+1. This admin is deporting students for having beliefs that they feel are dangerous. If you don’t recognize that as authoritarianism, you’re marching to the beat of your own alternative facts.

Just to sharpen the pencil a bit, they are actually ABDUCTING AND INCARCERATING students for having beliefs that UNREGISTERED FOREIGN AGENTS have instructed our CORRUPT POLITICAL CLASS to preposterously classify as threats to U.S. foreign policy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s hard for the ultra left-wing to hear this, but it’s one of the reasons why Democrats lost the last election.

Americans, people born in this country, feel like our institutions, including higher education, favor those born abroad over those born in our own country. It is a problem. Part of it does ring true. I say that as a lifelong Democrat. And it’s true for many institutions.

We don’t prioritize aid to the poorest parts of our country, but instead send it abroad. Look at what happened in the Carolinas after the hurricane? This isn’t rocket science and you can’t discount the anger that so many in the region felt. The USAID money that would go to a foreign hurricane ravaged area - like Haiti -should have been going to the Carolinas as well.

It works the same way with universities. We should be opening our doors to as many people from all parts of this country - in every university - at every level of selectivity. That should be our priority. Educating our people. Everything else should come second.

If we don’t realize that this is a real growing sentiment in the vast majority of American households, then you’ve lost the narrative. It’s not our responsibility to educate the world. They can still come here, and Silicon Valley will still entice them with jobs with legitimate H1-B visas. They’ll want those jobs since they’ll know that the only way their kids can go to college here is if they come and work in those tech jobs (and those kids are born here).

This isn’t xenophobic. It’s America first. And most voters, including liberal voters, actually agree. Feed ourselves first. It’s like the oxygen mask on a plane….

This! Exactly this! The rise of International Undergraduate students at top public universities is absolutely insane. Look at the University of California which was tuition free for the first 100 years. It has gradually become more and more expensive which makes it harder for middle class families to afford particularly after FAFSA no longer offers the sibling discount. Instead of appropriately funding the Univ of CA for California residents, the top UCs have been taking more and more international students because they pay more. CA taxes should go toward UCs so the CA residents don't lose the opportunity to attend to foreign students.

So let's say you have two parents who work as teachers, nurses, police you make about 200,000 a year in household income in CA, Your kid has to attend a public schools because you can't afford private school. Class sizes in many CA public high school have 40 students, kids have been taught poorly and not allowed to accelerate - thanks to programs from University College of Education professors like Lucy Calkins (anti-phonics idiot) and Jo Boaler - who advocates no math tracking, no math timed tests, and delaying algebra until high school. Now it is time to apply to the UC schools and you realize you have to pay $45K for EACH child you have in college - so that's 90K if you have twins or kids close in age because you get ZERO dollars in financial aid.

So you somehow figure out to pay and then your realize so many seniors are getting rejected or waitlisted from even the mid-tier UCs. Then you look at the stats and realize WTF?

1,031 international freshman students enrolled at the University of Davis. These students are primarily rich Chinese. California freshman enrollment was 5326. In the year 2000 there were only 36 international students enrolling as freshman. In 2010 there were only 50.

At UC San Diego in 2000 there were only 15 international undergrads, by 2010 that number was 127. It rose to 1206 by 2015 while CA residents were 3706!

There are another 1,000 freshman students at UC Irvine.

If you include all undergraduate and graduate students the number of international students at each campus: UC Berkeley 12,441, UC San Diego with 10,467 and UCLA with 10,446. That just isn't right.

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Anonymous wrote:Of the 4 undergrad international students my kid knows, 4 are transferring to schools outside the US.

Of the 11 undergrad internationals I know, all 11 continue in the US. Also the next batch will send in about 180 more. So Einstein, what will you conclude ?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s hard for the ultra left-wing to hear this, but it’s one of the reasons why Democrats lost the last election.

Americans, people born in this country, feel like our institutions, including higher education, favor those born abroad over those born in our own country. It is a problem. Part of it does ring true. I say that as a lifelong Democrat. And it’s true for many institutions.

We don’t prioritize aid to the poorest parts of our country, but instead send it abroad. Look at what happened in the Carolinas after the hurricane? This isn’t rocket science and you can’t discount the anger that so many in the region felt. The USAID money that would go to a foreign hurricane ravaged area - like Haiti -should have been going to the Carolinas as well.

It works the same way with universities. We should be opening our doors to as many people from all parts of this country - in every university - at every level of selectivity. That should be our priority. Educating our people. Everything else should come second.

If we don’t realize that this is a real growing sentiment in the vast majority of American households, then you’ve lost the narrative. It’s not our responsibility to educate the world. They can still come here, and Silicon Valley will still entice them with jobs with legitimate H1-B visas. They’ll want those jobs since they’ll know that the only way their kids can go to college here is if they come and work in those tech jobs (and those kids are born here).

This isn’t xenophobic. It’s America first. And most voters, including liberal voters, actually agree. Feed ourselves first. It’s like the oxygen mask on a plane….

This! Exactly this! The rise of International Undergraduate students at top public universities is absolutely insane. Look at the University of California which was tuition free for the first 100 years. It has gradually become more and more expensive which makes it harder for middle class families to afford particularly after FAFSA no longer offers the sibling discount. Instead of appropriately funding the Univ of CA for California residents, the top UCs have been taking more and more international students because they pay more. CA taxes should go toward UCs so the CA residents don't lose the opportunity to attend to foreign students.

So let's say you have two parents who work as teachers, nurses, police you make about 200,000 a year in household income in CA, Your kid has to attend a public schools because you can't afford private school. Class sizes in many CA public high school have 40 students, kids have been taught poorly and not allowed to accelerate - thanks to programs from University College of Education professors like Lucy Calkins (anti-phonics idiot) and Jo Boaler - who advocates no math tracking, no math timed tests, and delaying algebra until high school. Now it is time to apply to the UC schools and you realize you have to pay $45K for EACH child you have in college - so that's 90K if you have twins or kids close in age because you get ZERO dollars in financial aid.

So you somehow figure out to pay and then your realize so many seniors are getting rejected or waitlisted from even the mid-tier UCs. Then you look at the stats and realize WTF?

1,031 international freshman students enrolled at the University of Davis. These students are primarily rich Chinese. California freshman enrollment was 5326. In the year 2000 there were only 36 international students enrolling as freshman. In 2010 there were only 50.

At UC San Diego in 2000 there were only 15 international undergrads, by 2010 that number was 127. It rose to 1206 by 2015 while CA residents were 3706!

There are another 1,000 freshman students at UC Irvine.

If you include all undergraduate and graduate students the number of international students at each campus: UC Berkeley 12,441, UC San Diego with 10,467 and UCLA with 10,446. That just isn't right.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s hard for the ultra left-wing to hear this, but it’s one of the reasons why Democrats lost the last election.

Americans, people born in this country, feel like our institutions, including higher education, favor those born abroad over those born in our own country. It is a problem. Part of it does ring true. I say that as a lifelong Democrat. And it’s true for many institutions.

We don’t prioritize aid to the poorest parts of our country, but instead send it abroad. Look at what happened in the Carolinas after the hurricane? This isn’t rocket science and you can’t discount the anger that so many in the region felt. The USAID money that would go to a foreign hurricane ravaged area - like Haiti -should have been going to the Carolinas as well.

It works the same way with universities. We should be opening our doors to as many people from all parts of this country - in every university - at every level of selectivity. That should be our priority. Educating our people. Everything else should come second.

If we don’t realize that this is a real growing sentiment in the vast majority of American households, then you’ve lost the narrative. It’s not our responsibility to educate the world. They can still come here, and Silicon Valley will still entice them with jobs with legitimate H1-B visas. They’ll want those jobs since they’ll know that the only way their kids can go to college here is if they come and work in those tech jobs (and those kids are born here).

This isn’t xenophobic. It’s America first. And most voters, including liberal voters, actually agree. Feed ourselves first. It’s like the oxygen mask on a plane….

This! Exactly this! The rise of International Undergraduate students at top public universities is absolutely insane. Look at the University of California which was tuition free for the first 100 years. It has gradually become more and more expensive which makes it harder for middle class families to afford particularly after FAFSA no longer offers the sibling discount. Instead of appropriately funding the Univ of CA for California residents, the top UCs have been taking more and more international students because they pay more. CA taxes should go toward UCs so the CA residents don't lose the opportunity to attend to foreign students.

So let's say you have two parents who work as teachers, nurses, police you make about 200,000 a year in household income in CA, Your kid has to attend a public schools because you can't afford private school. Class sizes in many CA public high school have 40 students, kids have been taught poorly and not allowed to accelerate - thanks to programs from University College of Education professors like Lucy Calkins (anti-phonics idiot) and Jo Boaler - who advocates no math tracking, no math timed tests, and delaying algebra until high school. Now it is time to apply to the UC schools and you realize you have to pay $45K for EACH child you have in college - so that's 90K if you have twins or kids close in age because you get ZERO dollars in financial aid.

So you somehow figure out to pay and then your realize so many seniors are getting rejected or waitlisted from even the mid-tier UCs. Then you look at the stats and realize WTF?

1,031 international freshman students enrolled at the University of Davis. These students are primarily rich Chinese. California freshman enrollment was 5326. In the year 2000 there were only 36 international students enrolling as freshman. In 2010 there were only 50.

At UC San Diego in 2000 there were only 15 international undergrads, by 2010 that number was 127. It rose to 1206 by 2015 while CA residents were 3706!

There are another 1,000 freshman students at UC Irvine.

If you include all undergraduate and graduate students the number of international students at each campus: UC Berkeley 12,441, UC San Diego with 10,467 and UCLA with 10,446. That just isn't right.

Then fund the colleges properly. Those are public universities.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

They got this week's talking points from Breitbart et Al and are spamming forums with them.

Private schools especially should be allowed to design their student body as they see fit. I know my child chose a school with a high rate of international students in large part because he wanted that diversity and exposure.

Until this admin, international students were considered a bonus.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different poster, but you must not be paying attention to scotus, trump and his plan for striking down birthright citizenship.
You will no longer be a citizen because your parents are immigrants.

I’m not worried. They’d become l US citizens when I was born.

I’m also married to someone whose great-great grandparents were immigrants in 1845. What about him?

I believe Trump and his people are trying to exclude everyone whose parents were not born in the US, thus irrelevant that your parents *became* citizens. He doesn't want them either. Your husband clears that hurdle. I'm always amazed at how easily people think they are in the protected class and this is about others. No, it's about you.
My family on both sides have been here for 200+ years, and yet, I'm still concerned about others and their being protected and not targeted by this white nationalism.

So 4 of his five kids should get excluded? Just Tiffany will be left? Wait, wasn’t Trump’s own mother a Scottish immigrant?
Meanwhile, the majority of African Americans are descendants of people who got here WAY before 1865. Being a white nationalist is more complicated than I realized.

More fool you. It's every bit as complicated as I thought. BtW his misogyny is equally as complicated. So when we're done discussing the plight of foreign colored folks, we can discuss all american women who are also suffering from the DEI initiatives. I mean women of all colors come behind men of any color in the eyes of equality in this country.

What about the women murdered by illegal aliens? Laken Riley, Jocelyn Tanguay, Rachel Morin, etc? Where do they fall in your hierarchy?

They fall as a very tiny minority compared to slightly more than half the American population that is still discriminated against. BTW they are all women, so there's that.....

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

That is because you are a xenophobic imbecile who has no understanding of the damage this would do to this country.

It would do zero damage this country- stop being a ridiculous fear monger. Barely any foreigners came to our colleges in much of the 20th century and that was peak America. We would all be better off without having to compete w them for our universities.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

Defund racist Harvard.

You are either a troll or a pawn in the scheme to divide the country.

Defund habitual racist Harvard.

And how would that change YOUR life?

More Americans with Harvard degrees to run American companies. Also, better odd for my kids to go.

Your kids are not getting in.

NP: I don’t care if my kids get in, I just wsnt other deserving, hard-working American kids to get in.

Totally agree.
.... and I'm a Trump hater, but I actually think letting in so many foreigner instead of our qualified Americans has be horrible for us.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

I posted yesterday about the oxygen mask.
Didn’t post anything else.

If you have a US citizen kid at a T25 you know what’s going on. You see it on campus.
It’s different from when I went to school there - and it’s not fair to our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that at all of these schools. A lot of the people arrested or deported are graduate students who are full on endorsing “death to America” and “death to Israel”. The protests, the garb, the rhetoric, all of it….at Columbia and Cornell the massive and violent disruption.

I don’t know. It doesn’t seem so crazy.

I am the OP. The Singaporean just wanted to hang out with all the other undergrads (all the Americans have fake ids to party). He is not political at all, does not protest, does not post (an athlete scholar). He pays a premium to attend a USA institution. There seems to be no more context involved in these matters it’s all narrative and little due process.

He needs to obey laws while he's here or not come. PERIOD. It doesn't matter what his friends do with their fake IDs. If everyone was walking of a cliff, would he follow.....

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to see how arbitrary the deportations of foreign students in this country can be, read this story of a PhD student from Japan who goes to BYU. His student visa was revoked due to a fishing license violation, which was dismissed by a judge. The student is a Mormon to boot, not a group exactly known for political rabble rousing or poor behavior.

“[His lawyer] told the Deseret News that his client went on a 2019 fishing activity with his Latter-day Saint ward. “He didn’t catch a fish — but because he was the organizer or the face of the activity, (Onda) was cited for harvesting more than their license permitted.”
Onda went to court, the attorney added, “but the prosecutor was like, ‘Yeah, we’re dismissing this’ — and it was dismissed.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2025/04/16/byu-grad-student-has-student-visa-revoked/

When I travel to foreign countries I obey ALL laws, even the ones I don't agree with. Foreigners here should do the same or not come. I won't even spit on the sidewalk in Singapore. So as dumb as his citation was, he was wrong.

There is no law in the U.S. that prohibits criticism of a foreign nation.

Also, the suggestion that there should be such a law is an abomination.

This makes no sense. Can you read?

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Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

Defund racist Harvard.

You are either a troll or a pawn in the scheme to divide the country.

Defund habitual racist Harvard.

And how would that change YOUR life?

More Americans with Harvard degrees to run American companies. Also, better odd for my kids to go.

Your kids are not getting in.

NP: I don’t care if my kids get in, I just wsnt other deserving, hard-working American kids to get in.

Totally agree.
.... and I'm a Trump hater, but I actually think letting in so many foreigner instead of our qualified Americans has be horrible for us.

Trump hater here too. And I agree our universities should be educating our ppl.

It’s actually a pervasive belief if you have kids this age and you see how unfair it it is.