Pew: American opinions of Israel are in decline

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Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Given how pervasive Israel/AIPAC propaganda is, I think the polls mean something. The fact that they shifted noticeably after the response to October 7th is significant. It's not like they're one time polls - it's a poll over time.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate this situation. I want Israel to exist. I think it does need to. The Jewish people have been persecuted across countries and I support their need for a homeland. If it was wrong to set it up where it is now it is just as wrong all the other countries that were created where other people already lived including ours - and we aren’t giving the land back to the Native Americans so it is hypocritical to tell Israel to give it back.

But. The current government and the right wing keeping them in power in Israel is evil. And that right wing side keeps growing so it is hard to see how to ever stop the doom spiral they are in now.

It is already stopping through the Abraham Accords. Iran is responsible for the ongoing instability in the region. Even the Saudis and Egyptians agree. There could have been a 2 state solution decades ago, but Iran didn't want that. It wants to destroy Israel AND the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

I beg to disagree. While these polls are nice to hear, Aipac backed candidates, which is basically every single candidate, are guaranteed to win regardless of what anti-war/genocide/zionist opinions their constituents may have

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Anonymous wrote:I hate this situation. I want Israel to exist. I think it does need to. The Jewish people have been persecuted across countries and I support their need for a homeland. If it was wrong to set it up where it is now it is just as wrong all the other countries that were created where other people already lived including ours - and we aren’t giving the land back to the Native Americans so it is hypocritical to tell Israel to give it back.

But. The current government and the right wing keeping them in power in Israel is evil. And that right wing side keeps growing so it is hard to see how to ever stop the doom spiral they are in now.

It is already stopping through the Abraham Accords. Iran is responsible for the ongoing instability in the region. Even the Saudis and Egyptians agree. There could have been a 2 state solution decades ago, but Iran didn't want that. It wants to destroy Israel AND the US.

WFT? This is delusional. Israel is responsible for the ongoing instability in the region and alway has been.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

I beg to disagree. While these polls are nice to hear, Aipac backed candidates, which is basically every single candidate, are guaranteed to win regardless of what anti-war/genocide/zionist opinions their constituents may have

Spot on. Money talks. Voters are idiots. They'll continue to vote for Republicans and Democrats no matter how awful and dysfunctional our two major parties are.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Not only that, but the military industrial complex, which is incredibly powerful, loves Israeli foreign policy as it has led us to conflicts not only in Gaza, but Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and probably Iran soon.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

I beg to disagree. While these polls are nice to hear, Aipac backed candidates, which is basically every single candidate, are guaranteed to win regardless of what anti-war/genocide/zionist opinions their constituents may have

Spot on. Money talks. Voters are idiots. They'll continue to vote for Republicans and Democrats no matter how awful and dysfunctional our two major parties are.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate this situation. I want Israel to exist. I think it does need to. The Jewish people have been persecuted across countries and I support their need for a homeland. If it was wrong to set it up where it is now it is just as wrong all the other countries that were created where other people already lived including ours - and we aren’t giving the land back to the Native Americans so it is hypocritical to tell Israel to give it back.

But. The current government and the right wing keeping them in power in Israel is evil. And that right wing side keeps growing so it is hard to see how to ever stop the doom spiral they are in now.

It is already stopping through the Abraham Accords. Iran is responsible for the ongoing instability in the region. Even the Saudis and Egyptians agree. There could have been a 2 state solution decades ago, but Iran didn't want that. It wants to destroy Israel AND the US.

WFT? This is delusional. Israel is responsible for the ongoing instability in the region and alway has been.

A matter of opinion. Yours is not widely shared outside the Palestinian diaspora and some fringe student group members.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

What if there was a poll asking how Gazans are perceived, and the results indicate they are viewed unfavorably for their failure to accept their own country when offered, their learned helplessness, attachment to grievance, corrupt government, and support for Hamas? Would that change anything? Of course not.

Polls about perceptions like these are useless. The USG is not going to change policy towards any country or group based on the results. Maybe nice for sympathizers to say "Look! Some other people have a negative view of Israel!". But that means nothing in any practical sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The zionist propaganda machine is losing (rightfully, deservedly so).

No, because support for Hamas isn’t getting better. Americans don’t support terrorists.

Nobody outside of Gaza supports Hamas. Even inside Gaza people are demonstrating against Hamas. Stop with this propaganda that equates supporting Palestinian rights with being “pro Hamas.” That is utter BS.

NP. Given the number of protests in the US where protestors are waving Hamas flags, you are clearly lying.

What utter BS. I have never, ever seen a Hamas flag at a pro-Palestine demonstration.

Oh for God’s sake, cut the stupidity. There are plenty of photos from the past year on various news sites, if you are able to manage that basic task.

I am so sick and tired of the gaslighting and lies that come from both the pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli side. I want to wash my hands of the whole d*** region. Both sides are full of bloodthirsty terrible liars.

My opinion of Israel and its supporters has sharply declined over the past year, so I would be part of this poll. But you know what else has sharply declined? My opinion of Palestine and its supporters.

They all deserve each other.

The both sides argument isn’t good enough. American taxpayers don’t want to fund a genocide. If the US were a neutral party then you could both sides it, but that’s not the case.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

What if there was a poll asking how Gazans are perceived, and the results indicate they are viewed unfavorably for their failure to accept their own country when offered, their learned helplessness, attachment to grievance, corrupt government, and support for Hamas? Would that change anything? Of course not.

Polls about perceptions like these are useless. The USG is not going to change policy towards any country or group based on the results. Maybe nice for sympathizers to say "Look! Some other people have a negative view of Israel!". But that means nothing in any practical sense.

Ask any American with an IQ over 90 what they think of Israel and Gaza and they'll tell you they are sick and tired of hearing about these murderous fools living 6000 miles away on another continent. They need to either learn to get along or just blow each other to complete smithereens. Grow up people!!

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Anonymous wrote:The zionist propaganda machine is losing (rightfully, deservedly so).

No, because support for Hamas isn’t getting better. Americans don’t support terrorists.

Nobody outside of Gaza supports Hamas. Even inside Gaza people are demonstrating against Hamas. Stop with this propaganda that equates supporting Palestinian rights with being “pro Hamas.” That is utter BS.

NP. Given the number of protests in the US where protestors are waving Hamas flags, you are clearly lying.

What utter BS. I have never, ever seen a Hamas flag at a pro-Palestine demonstration.

Oh for God’s sake, cut the stupidity. There are plenty of photos from the past year on various news sites, if you are able to manage that basic task.

I am so sick and tired of the gaslighting and lies that come from both the pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli side. I want to wash my hands of the whole d*** region. Both sides are full of bloodthirsty terrible liars.

My opinion of Israel and its supporters has sharply declined over the past year, so I would be part of this poll. But you know what else has sharply declined? My opinion of Palestine and its supporters.

They all deserve each other.

Oh please. Like you ever had a high opinion of Palestinians. That’s laughable.

I used to go to protests on behalf of Palestine. I sent repeated letters to my reps criticizing Israel and arguing for aid to Palestine. I suspect that’s more than 99% of the Hamas-flag lovers on university campuses today.

That was all well before Oct. 7th. I of course do nothing of the sort now.

DP. You're full of shit. Try harder, troll.

Oh please. You just can’t imagine anybody disagreeing with you, because you are a religious fundamentalist.

NP and I don’t find your history of Palestinian support credible, either. If you are grown enough to post your nonsense, you should be grown enough to take the responses.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinion polls only report what people polled think about something. They are unrelated to whether those thoughts are rational, justified, moral, ethical, have any basis in objective reality, or anything else. People are often ill-informed, biased, prejudiced, subject to propaganda, influenced by groupthink, or otherwise unreliable in their perceptions. So poll results on these kinds of topics are essentially of no value whatsoever.

Polls mean a lot actually, and this one shows that the American people are not happy with Israel’s actions. That matters because the US is Israel’s biggest supporter.

What if there was a poll asking how Gazans are perceived, and the results indicate they are viewed unfavorably for their failure to accept their own country when offered, their learned helplessness, attachment to grievance, corrupt government, and support for Hamas? Would that change anything? Of course not.

Polls about perceptions like these are useless. The USG is not going to change policy towards any country or group based on the results. Maybe nice for sympathizers to say "Look! Some other people have a negative view of Israel!". But that means nothing in any practical sense.

This is not exactly true. No one believed that America would essentially turn its back on its allies and now we have Trump doing exactly that. In turn it’s making our allies rethink their relationship with us and the world over. And that puts Israel in a precarious place. While there are countries in the region that view Iran as a problem, many of those same countries are not necessarily the biggest fans of Israel. What keeps them working towards better relations is U.S. support and desire generally for peace in the region for everyone’s sake.

If US military support for Israel is waning within US electorate (which it is), Israel may fine itself further alienated in the region. It is in Israeli citizens best interest to get rid of Netanyahu and his ilk, install new leaders, and work with the others in the region to rebuild Gaza and truly establish a Palestine country.