Pew: American opinions of Israel are in decline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

1) Yes, I absolutely would. Who the hell are you to doubt me?

2) Who the hell cares? I don't believe in religion, but I'd defend your right to believe what you want. I would NOT defend your right to do what you want just because that's what your religion says. You don't get special dibs on a land just because random ancestors from many centuries ago lived there. That's not how humanity works.

So you don’t believe in religion, but would sacrifice your life so other people could have religious freedom?

Yeah….see, that’s why I doubt you.

The only things I’m willing to DIE for are the same things I’m willing to KILL for - my family, and my own life. Beyond that? Nope.


That’s why I doubt you.

Then your selfishness is very telling.

But maybe you're one of those people that value "freedom for me, but not for thee."

Some of us have values that extend beyond our genetic links. I find your perspective very sad. But telling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

1) Yes, I absolutely would. Who the hell are you to doubt me?

2) Who the hell cares? I don't believe in religion, but I'd defend your right to believe what you want. I would NOT defend your right to do what you want just because that's what your religion says. You don't get special dibs on a land just because random ancestors from many centuries ago lived there. That's not how humanity works.

DP
Same - emphatically. Also, the fairytale indigeneity claim is shaky, AT BEST.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

1) Yes, I absolutely would. Who the hell are you to doubt me?

2) Who the hell cares? I don't believe in religion, but I'd defend your right to believe what you want. I would NOT defend your right to do what you want just because that's what your religion says. You don't get special dibs on a land just because random ancestors from many centuries ago lived there. That's not how humanity works.

So you don’t believe in religion, but would sacrifice your life so other people could have religious freedom?

Yeah….see, that’s why I doubt you.

The only things I’m willing to DIE for are the same things I’m willing to KILL for - my family, and my own life. Beyond that? Nope.


That’s why I doubt you.

DP
Get evolved or get bent, weirdo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

And most Americans are living on Indians’ ancestral lands. Should that land revert back too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

So your plan is to have all boundaries all over t world revert back to what they were in 2000 BC? Seriously? And where would you live?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

Actually no. Most of the indigenous Jewish population that remained converted to Islam and are Palestinian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

And most Americans are living on Indians’ ancestral lands. Should that land revert back too?

Revert BACK?

Back to WHAT? It never STOPPED being Jewish land. Jews have lived there continuously for 4000 years.

At what point did you imagine Jews stopped living there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

And most Americans are living on Indians’ ancestral lands. Should that land revert back too?

Revert BACK?

Back to WHAT? It never STOPPED being Jewish land. Jews have lived there continuously for 4000 years.

At what point did you imagine Jews stopped living there?

DP.

Yes, Jews lived there - and they still should. But there's a vast difference between a Jewish nationalist state and a place where Jews (and others) live together, as full equals, democratically - and without US taxpayer money of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

And most Americans are living on Indians’ ancestral lands. Should that land revert back too?

Revert BACK?

Back to WHAT? It never STOPPED being Jewish land. Jews have lived there continuously for 4000 years.

At what point did you imagine Jews stopped living there?

Really?

Actually, the portion of the total land area owned by Jewish individuals and groups in 1920 was less than 3.0%.

In 1947, after years of Zionist terrorism inflicted on the indigenous Palestinians, convenient “distress” sales brought that figure up to approx. 7.0% of the Mandate.

Calling THAT (less than 1/14th of the total land area) “Jewish land” and suggesting that is encompassed the entire Mandate is yet another false claim by the false claims tribe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Several months into this current conflict, I was open to your argument.

Now? F that.

It’s wildly apparent to anyone paying attention that there is far more than a plurality in Israel who fervently believe that the policies and actions of the government are more than just A-OK. There’s also a level of compassion corruption in the radical, extremist Zionist movement (in Israel and here in the U.S.) that is, to be kind, clearly unnatural.

Most Gazans support Hamas. 71% supported Hamas' attack on October 7. I despise Hamas. But I will not hate Gazans because of their chosen government.

100% of Israeli support the on going Holocaust of Palestinians and the taking of their land. Israel needs to be held to account.

[Anonymous]

My view of Israel declined precipitously when they knowingly dropped bombs on U.S. citizens trying to flee Gaza in the opening weeks of the war. It continued to fall when the shot U.S. citizens in the West Bank.

And yet still accepted the tax dollars of those people to purchase the bombs and the bullets. It’s like communist China billing the family for the cost of the execution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s probably safe to assume that the actual MOE is quite high, as I’d expect that a significant segment of the population that currently holds a negative view of Israel would be very reluctant to candidly share that view in light of the current fascist, Zionism-above-else environment that we’re all wading through.

I agree the 'unfavorable of Israel' views numbers are actually higher than reported due to people worried about repercussions.

Is Hamas great? No.

But I am absolutely bewildered about our unwavering support of Israel at any cost, for any reason, turning blind eyes to all International law violations. I truly do not understand our support and massive financial funding of such a horrible place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

And most Americans are living on Indians’ ancestral lands. Should that land revert back too?

Revert BACK?

Back to WHAT? It never STOPPED being Jewish land. Jews have lived there continuously for 4000 years.

At what point did you imagine Jews stopped living there?

So you are saying Jews owned all the land in Palestine for over 4000 years? Jews were a majority of the population for maybe 800 years. With the Jews ruling the area for 175 years. From the 3 century AD Christian and then Muslim were the majority. The “Jews” have no claim to the land or religion.

The longest Jewish kingdom was in Ethiopia. Know your history.

[Anonymous]

My opinion of Israel could not be any worse right now. Not just for their disproportionate response to October 8, resulting in the mass slaughter of thousands of Palestinians and massacre of aid workers trying to prevent a total holocaust, but for how they have co-opted their government and condone the deportation of lawful residents for taking issue with their nonsense.

It gives me great pleasure to see these poll results. I support the Jewish people, but I do not support this Jewish state. This ugly Frankenstein child of postwar Europe is old enough to stand on its own two feet now and suffer the consequences of its policies alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My opinion of Israel could not be any worse right now. Not just for their disproportionate response to October 8, resulting in the mass slaughter of thousands of Palestinians and massacre of aid workers trying to prevent a total holocaust, but for how they have co-opted their government and condone the deportation of lawful residents for taking issue with their nonsense.

It gives me great pleasure to see these poll results. I support the Jewish people, but I do not support this Jewish state. This ugly Frankenstein child of postwar Europe is old enough to stand on its own two feet now and suffer the consequences of its policies alone.

Co-opted *our* government.