Dump Chuck Schumer

[Anonymous]

My worry is if they approve the CR, then they legitimize DOGE, which means courts would no longer say DOGE is doing anything illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the actual question faced by the Dems:

If you vote for the CR, you vote for a bill that's a corrupted version of the Biden CR (many more social service cuts esp for DC + much more money for military). You are essentially voting to help the GOP get what they want and give them complete control - suggesting that Dems have zero power. It's a complete a utter show of disrespect from the GOP the Dems are accepting.

BUT - if you vote to reject CR -
You vote to shut down the US govt and while essential services should still run, there's plenty of workers who will be affected. Moreover - and the biggest legit concern is that tech speaking, while the "all" the govt is shut down, Trump + allies can make a solid case of why we can have a smaller govt. You give him all the leverage he needs to keep the govt shut down and you give him carte blanche to develop whatever he wants as a "new" form of govt. Effectively, you give him exactly what he's always wanted - the power to remake US govt however he wants.

So - which way do you all really want things to be? This is not business as usual where we shut down and return to negotiate to get govt back running. This is a matter of keeping our govt as damaged as it is or shuttering what we have today as it will be replaced by the Trump govt in full capacity once he's gotten rid of this damaged one, but still one run by 2 parties and a "legit" one.

You do realize that Trump can (and is) do this anyway, right? In some cases they’re doing it illegally (USAID) but he can’t just decide to reopen some offices/agencies. Congress has to fund them. The executive branch can reorganize, but to do it legally, Congress would have to approve it. The things y’all are afraid Trump won’t reopen, he will just close later if he wants to. Departments turned in plans this week to reduce workforce - ED was ahead of the curve but there will be massive cuts and reorganization everywhere. There was no win for Dems here but this CR is the bigger loss. It gives credibility to Trump dismantling the government.

+1. What some of ya’ll keep failing to consider is that Trump is doing crazy stuff now and it’s anger not just Dems but Republicans also. People are being hurt right now. Why give him more power to hurt folks and the economy further while simultaneously removing more power from Congress to check what he’s doing. Trump is rushing to do things (and his administration is making huge mistakes in the process) because he knows if there are done legally most would not pass. Stop feeding into his BS lies, childlike naming calling, and ridiculous press conferences. Trump is like a two year old, and there’s a reason we call two year olds tiny terrorist. They’re not reasonable and rational. At some point you have to stop trying to negotiate or appease them and take away their toys and enforce boundaries and discipline.

[Anonymous]

I'm so torn on this one. Helping pass the CR feels like such an unforced error for the democrats, but a government shutdown could legitimize a lot of Trump's actions (like deciding who to send home indefinitely) that are currently illegal and being challenged in the courts. There are no good options, and the choice that has the most emotional appeal (block the CR) carries with it a strong likelihood of increased lawlessness. Can someone persuade me that blocking the CR won't be an even worse sh!t show?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My worry is if they approve the CR, then they legitimize DOGE, which means courts would no longer say DOGE is doing anything illegal.

JFC. Courts have rebuked DOGE at every turn. They just made them reinstate all the probationary employees they let go, they’re demanding they produce documents, and even admonishing the DOJ lawyers who can’t explain or justify o and on some level don’t even know all the things that have been done. DOGE won’t be legitimate until Musk and his injured folks are gone and an audit is conducted of everything they’ve done.

[Anonymous]

Bernie or bust!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so torn on this one. Helping pass the CR feels like such an unforced error for the democrats, but a government shutdown could legitimize a lot of Trump's actions (like deciding who to send home indefinitely) that are currently illegal and being challenged in the courts. There are no good options, and the choice that has the most emotional appeal (block the CR) carries with it a strong likelihood of increased lawlessness. Can someone persuade me that blocking the CR won't be an even worse sh!t show?

Do you really think they aren’t going to decide who to send home if the CR is adopted? Do you really think the lawlessness won’t continue if the CR is adopted? What does adopting the CR gain you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

It's because of this. Schumer is right. AOC is immature and wrong.

+1

Thsi is chilling- it never even occurred to me that they would permenanently shut it all down on purpose. Maybe Schumer realized this b/c he is jewish and is more sensitive to how fascists operate and AOC (and I) are niave b/c we cant concieve of sonething like this. Im so afraid now that citizenship granted to immigrants and those born here after 1965 will be rescinded. I am at risk of becoming stateless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

It's because of this. Schumer is right. AOC is immature and wrong.

+1

Thsi is chilling- it never even occurred to me that they would permenanently shut it all down on purpose. Maybe Schumer realized this b/c he is jewish and is more sensitive to how fascists operate and AOC (and I) are niave b/c we cant concieve of sonething like this. Im so afraid now that citizenship granted to immigrants and those born here after 1965 will be rescinded. I am at risk of becoming stateless.

Sure it a real but vague possibility. But do you think all the republicans and folks who voted Republican want that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so torn on this one. Helping pass the CR feels like such an unforced error for the democrats, but a government shutdown could legitimize a lot of Trump's actions (like deciding who to send home indefinitely) that are currently illegal and being challenged in the courts. There are no good options, and the choice that has the most emotional appeal (block the CR) carries with it a strong likelihood of increased lawlessness. Can someone persuade me that blocking the CR won't be an even worse sh!t show?

Here’s a question for you, this March deadline for a budget was part of the last CR. Why is it that we’re at this point? Why don’t we have an actual budget plan and not a CR?

[Anonymous]

When MAGA lose Medicaid, the GOP will now be able to blame the Dems. And, they'll be correct. Since the Dems voted for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so torn on this one. Helping pass the CR feels like such an unforced error for the democrats, but a government shutdown could legitimize a lot of Trump's actions (like deciding who to send home indefinitely) that are currently illegal and being challenged in the courts. There are no good options, and the choice that has the most emotional appeal (block the CR) carries with it a strong likelihood of increased lawlessness. Can someone persuade me that blocking the CR won't be an even worse sh!t show?

No. Trump is an abusive husband or abusive ex-husband that Chuck still thinks he can manipulate or deal with. Chuck lets Trump keep setting the agenda by responding to every outrage and minimizing the damage of Trump and Musk’s actions. He says people will suffer in a month if we don’t do this with the CR.

Well Chuck—people will suffer more in 2 month, 3 month, years if you enable this abuser instead of letting him suffer the consequence of his abuse in a way that wakes people up to fight back. There are still members of the American family who haven’t realized abusive Daddy Trump is trying to beat the crap out of them and steal all their money. They won’t wake up until they feel it.

[Anonymous]

Everyone needs to tell the DNC they will not give one penny to Dems until Schumer is out of his position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shutting down the government actually gives Musk more power to permanently fire people. The Dems are in a bad place and I think Schumer is right. It sucks that the republicans are destroying this country. Let’s stop blaming the Dems. That’s what they want us to.

From NYT article:

“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Mr. Schumer said in his evening speech. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”

In a shutdown, Mr. Schumer said, “the Trump administration would have full authority to deem whole agencies, programs and personnel nonessential, furloughing staff with no promise that they would ever be rehired.”

He also warned that if the government closed, Mr. Trump and Republicans would have no incentive to reopen it, since they could selectively fund “their favorite departments and agencies, while leaving other vital services that they don’t like to languish.”

It's because of this. Schumer is right. AOC is immature and wrong.

+1

Thsi is chilling- it never even occurred to me that they would permenanently shut it all down on purpose. Maybe Schumer realized this b/c he is jewish and is more sensitive to how fascists operate and AOC (and I) are niave b/c we cant concieve of sonething like this. Im so afraid now that citizenship granted to immigrants and those born here after 1965 will be rescinded. I am at risk of becoming stateless.

Sure it a real but vague possibility. But do you think all the republicans and folks who voted Republican want that?

I dont think they know nor do i think it matters what they want at this point. I dont think that they dont want it- i dont think they really care. I think the way they'll do it is- when people who have "funny" -Arab/hispanic/persian type names go to renew their passports they'll just take them and accuse them of being fraudulent and then 'find' something and i dont really think anyone will stand up and say it is wrong b/c history shows that people dont, in fact they take advantage by jockeying for the positions and power that the pushed out persecuted individual leaves behind.
It is really terrifyng b/c many people who have come to the US come b/c they are persecuted minorities in their home countries and there is no guarantee that these nations will honor their citizenship and so we will havea flood of stateless muslims/druze/venezualans floating around waiting to be radicalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so torn on this one. Helping pass the CR feels like such an unforced error for the democrats, but a government shutdown could legitimize a lot of Trump's actions (like deciding who to send home indefinitely) that are currently illegal and being challenged in the courts. There are no good options, and the choice that has the most emotional appeal (block the CR) carries with it a strong likelihood of increased lawlessness. Can someone persuade me that blocking the CR won't be an even worse sh!t show?

By blocking it now they force the GOP to use reconciliation to get it passed OR to negotiate with Dems. That would mean they can't use reconciliation down the road for their even worse budget bill. By giving in now and not forcing them to negotiate or use reconciliation now, they will have zero leverage during the actual budget fight. It's more than an unforced error. It's a complete capitulation. They're giving up all their leverage in exchange for nothing at all.

[Anonymous]

It's so bad, Trump congratulated and praised Schumer.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/14/trump-praises-schumer-cr-government-shutdown