Do you like Taylor Swift?

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Anonymous wrote:I like her songs and believe she’s incredibly talented. I respect her business senses and strong will power.

But she strikes me as someone who holds grudges and is very vindictive.

Also, she should stay away from politics.

How are women supposed to "stay away from politics" when politicians keep coming for our rights?

I think Trump should stay away from politics. Taylor is just fine. You are merely threatened by her power.

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And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

She's old and middle aged. Her new material is nowhere near as successful & catchy as her early stuff. Pop music has been taken over by much younger singes like Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Grace Adams. Notice how Taylor desperately tries to orbit young women, both singers and 22 year old Caitlin Clark.

Orbiting? She’s networking. Normal in any profession where relationships matter.

And at least with Sabrina Carpenter and Gracie Abrams, she was hoisting them up. She brought them on tour, and yes I know they were already famous, but they are now fully launched. She's proud of anyone she can help lift up.

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She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…





Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

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She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

Her last four albums were a mature point of view.

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She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

Her last four albums were a mature point of view.

I am talking about maturity from a standpoint of being 40-ish and potentially married. The coy boyfriend and hinting about secret lover songs are not going to work over 40. From what I see that's still what she does.

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She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

Her last four albums were a mature point of view.

I am talking about maturity from a standpoint of being 40-ish and potentially married. The coy boyfriend and hinting about secret lover songs are not going to work over 40. From what I see that's still what she does.

I'm 57, long married, happily married, looking forward to retirement, and I enjoy a lot of her music. Who cares? It's still entertainment, and a lot of people find those themes entertaining regardless of age or life circumstances. The themes might still be there, but her lyrics and how she presents those themes have vastly changed. It's pretty cool to see.

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She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

Her last four albums were a mature point of view.

I am talking about maturity from a standpoint of being 40-ish and potentially married. The coy boyfriend and hinting about secret lover songs are not going to work over 40. From what I see that's still what she does.

I'm 57, long married, happily married, looking forward to retirement, and I enjoy a lot of her music. Who cares? It's still entertainment, and a lot of people find those themes entertaining regardless of age or life circumstances. The themes might still be there, but her lyrics and how she presents those themes have vastly changed. It's pretty cool to see.

"Whether I'm gonna be your wife or / Gonna smash up your bike, I haven't decided yet / But I'm gonna get you back“- Taylor TTPD

“Your wife waters flowers, I want to kill her”- Taylor TTPD

This is not a healthy way to process anger, not mature and the theme of vengeance still undergirds her work.

I agree, she will still be able to make money off fans regardless, but can you explain how these lyrics are matured from her earlier works?

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Anonymous wrote:

She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

You certainly have a good point that past artists tend to "age out," and taking a break is risky. Didn't JLo take a break and struggle to return? Taylor probably won't take a sustained break like that.

I understand what you're saying about the boyfriend and breakup songs. Those can only be interesting for so long. At the same time, TS has written good songs on other topics. "Marjorie" and "The Last American Dynasty" for instance.

An article about Madonna, JLo, Stevie Nicks, and Dolly and how they fared over time would be an interesting read.

PS: I could see Billie Eilish lasting a long time -- not just because she is so young -- but because she was tackling non-love topics like depression on her first album. She's also not a typical pop star with that jazzy voice of hers.

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Anonymous wrote:

She is a good model because:
She truly loves and values her parents and brother.
She doesn't have any children with baby daddies.
She is incredibly generous and donates huge sums to food banks and other charities all over the world.
She is - by all accounts - an amazing employer who treats everyone with whom she comes into contact with respect and kindness.
She's a loyal friend.

^^^Agree! All of the above.

“She’s a good girl loves her mommo
Loves Jesus And America too
She’s a good Girl Crazy bout Elvis
Loves horses and her boyfriend too.”

And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

I wrote the Tom Petty lyrics. I don’t think she will necessarily lose popularity, but you do have to wonder how many more people there are out there to convert to her fan base. She doesn’t appeal to everyone, just like the perfect “good girl” in Tom Petty’s song didn’t appeal to him. At a certain point, she will run out of places to expand. She can still make money off of her current fan base and run circles around everyone else, but recruiting a huge segment of new listeners/fans will require her to distort her “good girl” image in a way that would be damaging to her.

She doesn’t need to expand her base. She can go deeper with her existing fans and offer more products…

Do you think she will be able to transition as her fans outgrow the era of glitter bodysuit and boyfriend songs?

Eventually fans age and leave a lot of their "young" music behind. This is what happened to Katy Perry after she took a break. When she tried to come back her fan base has aged out and left her. I think this will happen to Taylor if she does not develop a more mature point of view.

Her last four albums were a mature point of view.

I am talking about maturity from a standpoint of being 40-ish and potentially married. The coy boyfriend and hinting about secret lover songs are not going to work over 40. From what I see that's still what she does.

The novel ALL FOURS by Miranda July is hot at the moment, and it touches on similar themes as some of TS's songs. Maybe people like to dream about being bad, and the songs help them do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Why or why not?

Both music and personality

Of course

She literally just fed a bunch of people , treats her employees well and is a good human

What’s not to like?

Musk and Trump have never fed a sole but their fat fingers

I agree with you, but why must you bring politics into this?
DP

Because they are all billionaires. Some sell fake coins and cars that catch fire. Others sell real songs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s tons of pushback on sports talk about the NFL rigging Kansas City games for her. Men are tired of seeing her on camera.

The whole thing is just too much and too fake.

And why was she in the suite with the young WNBA girl acting like best friends? You’re 35 years old, the basketball girl is like 22? It’s weird.

You’re at games to support a bf and hang out with his family. But clearly that’s not her motive to be there. It’s a circus.

This is hilarious! Men are tired of seeing a woman on camera. What's the rest of your thoughts here? SURELY You're not suggesting the NFL stop showing her because the "men are tired."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s tons of pushback on sports talk about the NFL rigging Kansas City games for her. Men are tired of seeing her on camera.

The whole thing is just too much and too fake.

And why was she in the suite with the young WNBA girl acting like best friends? You’re 35 years old, the basketball girl is like 22? It’s weird.

You’re at games to support a bf and hang out with his family. But clearly that’s not her motive to be there. It’s a circus.

This is hilarious! Men are tired of seeing a woman on camera. What's the rest of your thoughts here? SURELY You're not suggesting the NFL stop showing her because the "men are tired."

Some men do complain about the attention she gets. They are usually right-wing incel types.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s tons of pushback on sports talk about the NFL rigging Kansas City games for her. Men are tired of seeing her on camera.

The whole thing is just too much and too fake.

And why was she in the suite with the young WNBA girl acting like best friends? You’re 35 years old, the basketball girl is like 22? It’s weird.

You’re at games to support a bf and hang out with his family. But clearly that’s not her motive to be there. It’s a circus.

This is hilarious! Men are tired of seeing a woman on camera. What's the rest of your thoughts here? SURELY You're not suggesting the NFL stop showing her because the "men are tired."

I am not this poster, but it's true that men who are football fans are tired of seeing TS. It may surprise you that they watch football for sports and not for Taylor Swift. Many are waiting for Kelce to retire so they don't have to see her on game broadcasts.

[Anonymous]

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And her popularity will be "free fallin" soon.

Really? How so? Oh, nvm. I see that was just wishful thinking on your part.
DP

She's old and middle aged. Her new material is nowhere near as successful & catchy as her early stuff. Pop music has been taken over by much younger singes like Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, Grace Adams. Notice how Taylor desperately tries to orbit young women, both singers and 22 year old Caitlin Clark.

I would not say she's "middle aged", but she's getting a little too mature for the mystery boyfriend schtick that has defined her career. She has three to four years before she ages out of the glittery bodysuit and boots. That will look ridiculous when she's 40.

She will also lose a lot of the angsty Millenial fan base if she gets married. It's dumb for a married woman to sing songs about her mystery boyfriend of the month.

Many of her new-ish songs about "mystery boyfriends" at all. She has plenty of topics she can sing about.

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