Nancy Mace’s Women’s Bathroom Bill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty sure an overwhelming majority of Congress will agree with Mace. The '24 election result was partly due to not allowing women to have safe spaces. I'm not sure how many pols want to be on the record against this proposal for '26.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reps have their own private bathrooms in their offices.

LOL Mace is such a buffoon.

Sucks that you democrats are in the 15% minority on the issue.

Where's the stat from?

2024 elections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Harris voter who hates Trump and I also have trans friends and colleagues and I want their rights protected. So those are my bona fides if you choose to believe them.

I think people who dismiss and put down the trans bathroom issue often don't really understand the argument being made. I think people are actually discouraged from engaging the argument at all and that this is to the detriment of Democrats because if you can't understand the argument you can't propose a solution to it that is consistent with Democratic values.

The argument is NOT that trans women should be barred from womens bathrooms because there is something scary about being the next stall over from someone with a penis or being in an enclosed space with someone with a penis. Women are around people with penises all the time including in a workplace like Congress.

The argument is that if we affirmatively allow trans women into womens restrooms, it opens the door for men who are perverts and predators to use that as a "loophole" for gaining access to a women's space where women might be vulnerable. If having a penis is not a disqualifer for entering a womens bathroom (since many trans women have penises) then, so people like Nancy Mace argue, there is no way to prevent men (just men, not trans women) from posing as women in order to go into womens bathrooms and attack women.

There are good arguments against this argument. Make them. But when you just roll your eyes and say things like "omg are you afraid of penises? you know people don't get naked in public bathrooms right?" you actually hand people like Mace a gift. Because it shows you don't actually understand the underlying concern (which is shared by plenty of Americans) and are unwilling to actually engage the argument being made so you throw up straw men instead. It's not helpful.

Best post of the thread.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Here is the thing. This is a legit issue, but I actually agree (OMG) with Speaker Johnson who said people need to be treated with dignity and respect.

The way Mace went about this was not the right way, but that is also not surprising. It was unnecessarily inflammatory. Not to mention, the Capitol Complex has many private/one person bathrooms. This could almost be a non-issue until it was made one. Does she think this Rep will attack her in the bathroom?

I had high hopes for Mace a few years ago in terms of being level-headed. Sort of like I did Stefanik YEARS ago. Oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reps have their own private bathrooms in their offices.

LOL Mace is such a buffoon.

Sucks that you democrats are in the 15% minority on the issue.

Where's the stat from?

2024 elections

I don’t understand. Please educate me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. This is a legit issue, but I actually agree (OMG) with Speaker Johnson who said people need to be treated with dignity and respect.

The way Mace went about this was not the right way, but that is also not surprising. It was unnecessarily inflammatory. Not to mention, the Capitol Complex has many private/one person bathrooms. This could almost be a non-issue until it was made one. Does she think this Rep will attack her in the bathroom?

I had high hopes for Mace a few years ago in terms of being level-headed. Sort of like I did Stefanik YEARS ago. Oh well.

It’s so disingenuous to say “this is a legit issue” and then turn around and suggest Mace is afraid this rep will “attack her in the bathroom.” Either you understand why women are asking for the privacy of sex segregated spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms and debate the issue on the merits or you are offering faux empathy while telling women to shut up about their concerns and request for privacy. Pick one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. This is a legit issue, but I actually agree (OMG) with Speaker Johnson who said people need to be treated with dignity and respect.

The way Mace went about this was not the right way, but that is also not surprising. It was unnecessarily inflammatory. Not to mention, the Capitol Complex has many private/one person bathrooms. This could almost be a non-issue until it was made one. Does she think this Rep will attack her in the bathroom?

I had high hopes for Mace a few years ago in terms of being level-headed. Sort of like I did Stefanik YEARS ago. Oh well.

Culture wars and scapegoating of trans people and migrants pays. Except to hear even more about it in the new administration .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reps have their own private bathrooms in their offices.

LOL Mace is such a buffoon.

Sucks that you democrats are in the 15% minority on the issue.

Where's the stat from?

2024 elections

I don’t understand. Please educate me.

Exit polls
https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. This is a legit issue, but I actually agree (OMG) with Speaker Johnson who said people need to be treated with dignity and respect.

The way Mace went about this was not the right way, but that is also not surprising. It was unnecessarily inflammatory. Not to mention, the Capitol Complex has many private/one person bathrooms. This could almost be a non-issue until it was made one. Does she think this Rep will attack her in the bathroom?

I had high hopes for Mace a few years ago in terms of being level-headed. Sort of like I did Stefanik YEARS ago. Oh well.

It’s so disingenuous to say “this is a legit issue” and then turn around and suggest Mace is afraid this rep will “attack her in the bathroom.” Either you understand why women are asking for the privacy of sex segregated spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms and debate the issue on the merits or you are offering faux empathy while telling women to shut up about their concerns and request for privacy. Pick one.

It is not disingenuous. It is a legit issue in that the conversations need to be had. However, the way Mace went about it is not one that respects her fellow representative's dignity or humanity. That was my point. I don't know, maybe she tried to have a respectful and productive conversation with McBride before introducing this resolution, but I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do Democrats want an adult with a penis in the women’s bathroom?

Nancy Mace is a true feminist standing up for women and girls.

Now that’s a woman with real balls.

Why do republicans want a rapist and felon as POTUS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reps have their own private bathrooms in their offices.

LOL Mace is such a buffoon.

Sucks that you democrats are in the 15% minority on the issue.

Where's the stat from?

2024 elections

I don’t understand. Please educate me.

Exit polls
https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

Exit polls =\= election results

I don’t see bathroom issues or 85% on here anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. This is a legit issue, but I actually agree (OMG) with Speaker Johnson who said people need to be treated with dignity and respect.

The way Mace went about this was not the right way, but that is also not surprising. It was unnecessarily inflammatory. Not to mention, the Capitol Complex has many private/one person bathrooms. This could almost be a non-issue until it was made one. Does she think this Rep will attack her in the bathroom?

I had high hopes for Mace a few years ago in terms of being level-headed. Sort of like I did Stefanik YEARS ago. Oh well.

It’s so disingenuous to say “this is a legit issue” and then turn around and suggest Mace is afraid this rep will “attack her in the bathroom.” Either you understand why women are asking for the privacy of sex segregated spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms and debate the issue on the merits or you are offering faux empathy while telling women to shut up about their concerns and request for privacy. Pick one.

It is not disingenuous. It is a legit issue in that the conversations need to be had. However, the way Mace went about it is not one that respects her fellow representative's dignity or humanity. That was my point. I don't know, maybe she tried to have a respectful and productive conversation with McBride before introducing this resolution, but I doubt it.

I also doubt it.

Mace said she’d say Kamala’s name however she liked so I don’t see her as a respectful person.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]Great, as a 5'10" woman, born a woman, I'm going to have more MAGAs harass me about going to the bathroom, just like the last Trump admin, aren't I? [/quote]

No worries. I’m sure you could use the men’s room without anyone even noticing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Harris voter who hates Trump and I also have trans friends and colleagues and I want their rights protected. So those are my bona fides if you choose to believe them.

I think people who dismiss and put down the trans bathroom issue often don't really understand the argument being made. I think people are actually discouraged from engaging the argument at all and that this is to the detriment of Democrats because if you can't understand the argument you can't propose a solution to it that is consistent with Democratic values.

The argument is NOT that trans women should be barred from womens bathrooms because there is something scary about being the next stall over from someone with a penis or being in an enclosed space with someone with a penis. Women are around people with penises all the time including in a workplace like Congress.

The argument is that if we affirmatively allow trans women into womens restrooms, it opens the door for men who are perverts and predators to use that as a "loophole" for gaining access to a women's space where women might be vulnerable. If having a penis is not a disqualifer for entering a womens bathroom (since many trans women have penises) then, so people like Nancy Mace argue, there is no way to prevent men (just men, not trans women) from posing as women in order to go into womens bathrooms and attack women.

There are good arguments against this argument. Make them. But when you just roll your eyes and say things like "omg are you afraid of penises? you know people don't get naked in public bathrooms right?" you actually hand people like Mace a gift. Because it shows you don't actually understand the underlying concern (which is shared by plenty of Americans) and are unwilling to actually engage the argument being made so you throw up straw men instead. It's not helpful.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nancy Mace says she has PTSD because she’s a survivor of rape and doesn’t want anyone with a penis in women’s private spaces.

Dems are going to have a hard time with this one.

How does Mace know whether 1) McBride has a penis (McBride could be post-op) and 2) why does she think that said penis, if it exists, will be displayed in the bathroom? Women's bathrooms have private stalls.

Let’s play a thought experiment. How far do you want to take this? By your logic, Travis Kelce could just put on a wig and stand around a women’s locker room ogling everyone as long as he kept his clothes on and that’d be totally fine, right?

Crazy town.

Haven't travelled much, have you? Lots of countries have unisex bathrooms and some even have unisex locker rooms and unisex saunas. They also have nude and topless beaches. Heck, I lived in Northern Europe in the 70s and used unisex bathrooms in public facilities all the time.

Great. Nobody cares.