TJ Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

The chairman doesn't have any particular power or sway, he's just the one in charge of keeping the meetings in order (or not).

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you dismiss legitmate concerns in one area because concerns exist in other areas.

This is saying that just becasuse something is illegal doesn't mean people don't get away with it.

There is no real doubt that race was a primary factor in changing the admissions process.

There is no real doubt that the lower end of the students are less capable than in prior years.

It's exactly whataboutery. Just because some people may or may not have gotten away with treason doesn't change the fact that Asians make up a majority at TJ and were the biggest beneficiary of the admission changes. Claiming otherwise is laughable.

First of all, the claim that the treason comparison was responding to was the statement that discrimination couldn't be occurring because it's illegal.
Illegal shit happens all the time. I could just as easily have said murder is illegal and yet people still get murdered.

Second of all Asians are definitely not the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process. Every group saw an increase while asians and ONLY asians saw a decrease. You would have to be an idiot to think asians were the largest beneficiaries of this admissions change.

I think you might be trying to say that poor asians saw a large increase, which is true because poor people of all races saw a large increase due to the poverty preference and when you look at achievement gaps between races, the achievement gap is larger at the lower end of the economic spectrum than at the higher end. Wealthy non-asian kids tend to come from families that value education and the asian cultural advantage isn't as wide. At the lower end, the gap is much much wider, the sacrifices necessary to pursue educational opportunity require more sacrifice, something that is hard to do unless you have an almost religious devotion to education.

Overall, asians saw a large decrease in admissions, everyone knows this.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you dismiss legitmate concerns in one area because concerns exist in other areas.

This is saying that just becasuse something is illegal doesn't mean people don't get away with it.

There is no real doubt that race was a primary factor in changing the admissions process.

There is no real doubt that the lower end of the students are less capable than in prior years.

It's exactly whataboutery. Just because some people may or may not have gotten away with treason doesn't change the fact that Asians make up a majority at TJ and were the biggest beneficiary of the admission changes. Claiming otherwise is laughable.

This is not whataboutery. Unless you or FCPS are being accused of treason on January 6th, you don't know what you are talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

Are you under the impression that cheating has gone DOWN since they started admitting underqualified students?

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

The chairman doesn't have any particular power or sway, he's just the one in charge of keeping the meetings in order (or not).

Still entirely democratic FCPS board. I don't think anything has changed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

Are you under the impression that cheating has gone DOWN since they started admitting underqualified students?

I am not under an impression that they admitted underqualified students. They changed from admitting some qualified students to other qualified students.

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

So you want them to go back to the old system where only kids from a few wealthy feeders can get in?

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

Are you under the impression that cheating has gone DOWN since they started admitting underqualified students?

I am not under an impression that they admitted underqualified students. They changed from admitting some qualified students to other qualified students.

I agree. Not sure why this poster keeps pushing the false narrative. If anything the kids now at least, aren't getting in because they bought the test.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you dismiss legitmate concerns in one area because concerns exist in other areas.

This is saying that just becasuse something is illegal doesn't mean people don't get away with it.

There is no real doubt that race was a primary factor in changing the admissions process.

There is no real doubt that the lower end of the students are less capable than in prior years.

It's exactly whataboutery. Just because some people may or may not have gotten away with treason doesn't change the fact that Asians make up a majority at TJ and were the biggest beneficiary of the admission changes. Claiming otherwise is laughable.

First of all, the claim that the treason comparison was responding to was the statement that discrimination couldn't be occurring because it's illegal.
Illegal shit happens all the time. I could just as easily have said murder is illegal and yet people still get murdered.

Second of all Asians are definitely not the biggest beneficiaries of the new admissions process. Every group saw an increase while asians and ONLY asians saw a decrease. You would have to be an idiot to think asians were the largest beneficiaries of this admissions change.

I think you might be trying to say that poor asians saw a large increase, which is true because poor people of all races saw a large increase due to the poverty preference and when you look at achievement gaps between races, the achievement gap is larger at the lower end of the economic spectrum than at the higher end. Wealthy non-asian kids tend to come from families that value education and the asian cultural advantage isn't as wide. At the lower end, the gap is much much wider, the sacrifices necessary to pursue educational opportunity require more sacrifice, something that is hard to do unless you have an almost religious devotion to education.

Overall, asians saw a large decrease in admissions, everyone knows this.

Not sure what you are going on about but Asians make up over 60% of TJ. It has already been shown they are at a historic high in terms of representation and the largest beneficiary of the admission change were also (low-income) Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

So you want them to go back to the old system where only kids from a few wealthy feeders can get in?

not wealthy but hardworking students from top three MS schools, that FCPS desperately needs and relies on for achievements.

Even with the new system, TJ admissions is literally begging, going down on the knees begging, students from Carson, Cooper and Longfellow to accept their 120+ offers for 2028 class. Almost one third of FCPS total seats. Why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:The school board now is different. You could petition the new school board to revisit the admissions process.

I think the current chairman was among the wokest and most vocal supporters for dei admissions to TJ.

So you want them to go back to the old system where only kids from a few wealthy feeders can get in?

not wealthy but hardworking students from top three MS schools, that FCPS desperately needs and relies on for achievements.

Even with the new system, TJ admissions is literally begging, going down on the knees begging, students from Carson, Cooper and Longfellow to accept their 120+ offers for 2028 class. Almost one third of FCPS total seats. Why is that?

Here using "literally" in the figurative sense of the word...

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

Are you under the impression that cheating has gone DOWN since they started admitting underqualified students?

I am not under an impression that they admitted underqualified students. They changed from admitting some qualified students to other qualified students.

Nah. There are a lot of underqualified students there now. They can keep the 1.5% per school quota but they really ought to reinstitute the testing requirement so they can at least get the best students at each school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.

They addressed the cheating and toxicity problem. Not the admissions cheating problem, the problem of cheating within the school. That's good for everyone, whatever their GPA or PSAT score.

Are you under the impression that cheating has gone DOWN since they started admitting underqualified students?

I am not under an impression that they admitted underqualified students. They changed from admitting some qualified students to other qualified students.

I agree. Not sure why this poster keeps pushing the false narrative. If anything the kids now at least, aren't getting in because they bought the test.

Is that why the number of NMSF recipients dropped in half?