TJ Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:MS Algebra1 students are placed in RS1 and TJ Math 1.

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/node/1876

Got it. I assumed Math 1 was Algebra I but it is the first semester of Geometry. I misunderstood, thanks for pointing it out.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

[Anonymous]

DC is in a 3rd grade AAP class. Among 25 students, there are only 9 boys. Do AAP classes in other schools have the similar situation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is in a 3rd grade AAP class. Among 25 students, there are only 9 boys. Do AAP classes in other schools have the similar situation?

No. All of my older DC's AAP classes skewed boy while younger DC's classes have been evenly balanced. Sometimes grade cohorts are skewed. It doesn't mean anything, except for the teachers who have to deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is in a 3rd grade AAP class. Among 25 students, there are only 9 boys. Do AAP classes in other schools have the similar situation?

Ours was opposite, 20 boys and 5 girls

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you dismiss legitmate concerns in one area because concerns exist in other areas.

This is saying that just becasuse something is illegal doesn't mean people don't get away with it.

There is no real doubt that race was a primary factor in changing the admissions process.

There is no real doubt that the lower end of the students are less capable than in prior years.

[Anonymous]

Wow. The decrease in the number of TJ students is a pretty damning indictment of the admissions changes that went into effect in 2021. Has there been press about this?

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

So glad that doesn't happen since it's completely illegal. Admissions by law are race-blind. If you have evidence that they are using race, you can win a multi-million dollar lawsuit, but since that hasn't happened, it's safe to assume you are just talking sh**.

Treason is also very illegal; and yet January 6th still happened and the guy at the top got away with it.

Excellent use of Whataboutery!! Nevertheless, the PP's point stands. It is illegal and you can sue the county and win a huge payout if you can prove this is going on, but since that hasn't happened, safe to say it isn't going on despite the false claims of a few malcontents.

That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you dismiss legitmate concerns in one area because concerns exist in other areas.

This is saying that just becasuse something is illegal doesn't mean people don't get away with it.

There is no real doubt that race was a primary factor in changing the admissions process.

There is no real doubt that the lower end of the students are less capable than in prior years.

It's exactly whataboutery. Just because some people may or may not have gotten away with treason doesn't change the fact that Asians make up a majority at TJ and were the biggest beneficiary of the admission changes. Claiming otherwise is laughable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. The decrease in the number of TJ students is a pretty damning indictment of the admissions changes that went into effect in 2021. Has there been press about this?

As NMSFs, I meant.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. The decrease in the number of TJ students is a pretty damning indictment of the admissions changes that went into effect in 2021. Has there been press about this?

As NMSFs, I meant.

Or at least that COVID resulted in learning loss.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. The decrease in the number of TJ students is a pretty damning indictment of the admissions changes that went into effect in 2021. Has there been press about this?

As NMSFs, I meant.

Or at least that COVID resulted in learning loss.

So COVID only affected TJ/FCPS kids? Come on. the bottom line is more kids outside of TJ/FCPS score higher than TJ students compared to previous years. All of them had to deal with COVID. The only difference is the admission change.

[Anonymous]

Can someone post a link to metrics that indicates whether students admitted after the admissions change are performing academically better than those admitted under the previous merit-based entrance process?

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking at the application process now. I feel sick to my stomach. This is supposed to be a high school for science and technology. Yet there appears to be very little focus on foundational subjects like mathematics, and far more focus on subjective “experience factors” and “21st Century Skills”.

My kids still wants to apply but .barf.
I suppose I should encourage her to write a lot about being biracial, dad speaks another language, and currently being raised by single mom?

How competitive is her middle school? Whatever your personal opinion of the application process, that's the most important factor.

Middle school is ranked among the lowest. my question is how can they expect students from poorly ranked middle school to thrive at TJ and be among the best there, especially when they start off at a disadvantage?

The TJ has already started inflating the grades three years ago for the under-qualified.

They are increasing the curve but frankly it's a change that was a change they probably needed a long time ago.
The GPA differential between what these kids get at TJ and what they would have gotten at their base school was just too large.

Offering the same rigorous courses to base high school kids would give all students a fair chance, way better than giving privileged TJ kids inflated GPA.

Jeez. Bitter much?
Take a look at the T10 thread about TJ just now; it's not a big college advantage to be at the school.

DP. When you look at the declining performance of TJ students, the argument for maintaining TJ as a separate magnet gets weaker. Its main reason to exist now is simply to allocate seats “fairly” across the county, which begs the question as to why FCPS goes to the trouble of prioritizing students at one school above all others. If they were so bent out of shape over students at certain middle schools having a leg up to get into TJ, they ought to be at least as concerned with favoring TJ over the other high and secondary schools.

You sound clueless. All of your post is nonsense.

You so want to keep hanging on to the prestige of a school that is obviously declining by every objective measure. At some point the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

It's a magnet school, not a prestige school. You are mistaken because you are working from the wrong starting point.

Magnet school that screens Asian American students based on merit, but others based on diversity experience factors. How will the bottom hundred students ever be able to catch up to the top hundred Asian American peers who are already advanced in all stem areas?

Asians also have diversity experience factors. A lot of poor asians are getting in that didn't used to get in. What they did was remove some of the merit filter so that the admitted pool looks a lot more like the applicant pool. They removed some, not all. About half the class is as good as it once was.