what to ED1/ED2/RD with this list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

There are a number of schools that give merit scholarships for debate, Emory and Wake Forest, among others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

There are a number of schools that give merit scholarships for debate, Emory and Wake Forest, among others.

I can count the t100 colleges that give merit for debate on one hand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

There are a number of schools that give merit scholarships for debate, Emory and Wake Forest, among others.

I can count the t100 colleges that give merit for debate on one hand

And yet it a hundred percent coincides with schools that care about collegiate debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

There are a number of schools that give merit scholarships for debate, Emory and Wake Forest, among others.

I can count the t100 colleges that give merit for debate on one hand

And yet it a hundred percent coincides with schools that care about collegiate debate.

yeah, nearly none. emory is most famous with most merit- but for a number of kids equal to a third of Middlebury's Nordic ski team. And to kids who would otherwise end up at HYP. Northwestern has been top team but no merit and no recruitment, bump in admissions if youre one of two finalists in country at Nats or TOC. Wake offers a couple small merit awards. Again under 5k. Michigan started a small merit scholarship (l2k), but mostly in state. Colorado College likes debate but no merit.

[Anonymous]

Depends on your school, 3.8 gpa may not be enough for those schools on your list. So I will be careful in choosing ED school. If you are from tier 1 NYC school, why asking here? Your counselor can give you much better answers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

Athletes at Davidson makeup 25% of the student body, far less than many SLACs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

Athletes at Davidson makeup 25% of the student body, far less than many SLACs.

Perhaps, but there is a huge difference between D1 and D3 athletes, including in the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:want to underscore the lopsided numbers at SLACS is very much rooted in athletics. Some of these schools are 30% or more athletes. And yes, even if they're not recruited, the readers know to look for kids to fill out that women's hockey team etc. There are just a lot of positions that need to be filled.

look at all these preppy white faces!
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/football/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/baseball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/fhockey/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wswim/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/softball/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mcross/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wsquash/roster
https://athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/mhockey/roster

and on and on and on .. they're ALL like this

Do you have an issue with athletes for some reason? Most SLACs, including Middlebury, are D3. It’s significantly less intense than D1 athletics, both in terms of team training and recruiting. Davidson is D1 and I have heard there is a divide there between athletes and non athletes, but not to the extent the non-athletes are unhappy.

I've been involved with sports my entire life and so have my kids. I also think it's completely ass backwards that in the United States, athletes are given any tip whatsoever. I could make a case for revenue-generating or community-building sports like football and basketball in big league schools. But they rest? No. And I understand recruiting - and I understand that these are spots that need to be filled and it's a tip that is given to all state softball or hockey or squash kids. In ways that other time-consuming, team building, and leadership gaining activities do not - even in area that are more aligned to academics like yearbook or newspaper or debate or MUN. These are full year or even year round activities that take 20+ hours a week. Mine are in sports. It's not more demanding than debate or newspaper. At all.

There are a number of schools that give merit scholarships for debate, Emory and Wake Forest, among others.

I can count the t100 colleges that give merit for debate on one hand

And yet it a hundred percent coincides with schools that care about collegiate debate.

yeah, nearly none. emory is most famous with most merit- but for a number of kids equal to a third of Middlebury's Nordic ski team. And to kids who would otherwise end up at HYP. Northwestern has been top team but no merit and no recruitment, bump in admissions if youre one of two finalists in country at Nats or TOC. Wake offers a couple small merit awards. Again under 5k. Michigan started a small merit scholarship (l2k), but mostly in state. Colorado College likes debate but no merit.

I know a kid with a Emory debate scholarship and he was far from Ivy material, but a truly excellent debater nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middlebury accepted 425 ED1 this year.

43 of them were first gen.
33 International
7 quest bridge
16 posse

897 kids take part in at least one sport. That number usually shrinks as you go up in years (due to injury or loss of interest), but let's say 25% per grade even though that's probably low for first years. So 225 are athletes.

So, 324 out of 425 were first gen, athletes, posse, questbrige, intl

Now add legacy and donors and let me know how many spots for your unhooked male. 25? 30?

You are double counting, nearly all of those posse and questbridge kids are first gen.

questbridge probably but not posse.. people here dont know what posse is. no income cap for example.

I know several Questbridge kids who had professors, college educated musicians, etc. as parents. Definitely not First-Gen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3.8/35 is too low for Rice, Vandy and Williams from our Big3. NU basically is too. the rest are ok.

Maybe - ask your Big 3 College Counselor. Our DS had mid 3.8 (can't remember exactly) and a 35 and his Counselor was still pushing Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3.8/35 is too low for Rice, Vandy and Williams from our Big3. NU basically is too. the rest are ok.

Maybe - ask your Big 3 College Counselor. Our DS had mid 3.8 (can't remember exactly) and a 35 and his Counselor was still pushing Yale.

The "Big3" do not all have the same college results with the same GPA. NCS cut-offs seem to be higher, likely in large part to everyone being female (I have kids at NCS and another Big3 and the NCS cut-offs for the same colleges are higher.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3.8 GPA at top tier NYC private.35 ACT. No hooks, lots of good school-based ECs including leadership, fulfilling summer activities but nothing especially competitive.

Humanities boy. Would be thrilled with any of these reaches based on one visit to each (would def want to revisit)

UChicago
Rice
Vandy
Bowdoin
Middlebury
Williams
Northwestern
Davidson
ND

what to ED 1/2 or RD here?

Chicago loves ED. But what does kid want? Those are very different schools in terms of size, location etc. Most prestigious school they can get into?

Chicago is used to admitting lots of private school kids ED2 when their Ivy EDs don't work. You are fine there with ED2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All great schools. Your hook is being a boy that's interested in majoring in the humanities. Stress that on the app. All of the top schools are starved for smart young men that want to major in English, Philosophy, Classics etc. Dial that to 10 on the application. And then take a look at the admissions data from your high school. Universities often have preferences for certain high schools. And they also ding other high schools for whatever reason. Look for patterns over the past three years. It's usually very clear which universities like students from your high school. And which don't. Take that into consideration when choosing how to strategize with ED1 and so on.

Sounds like this is a pretty easy going kid who'll do fine anywhere. That list is all over the map though. So, hard to give a meaningful suggestion.

Personally, if you want to go to a SLAC, I'd do Bowdoin with the ED. They seem to get pretty sane kids. Williams seems like it's intense 24/7 and not a terribly happy school if you're not part of their thing. But winter in a small town in Maine. Not for everyone.

For the bigger schools, Vanderbilt would be good but it's such a hard, fluky admit that I'd hesitate using the ED card there. I think it'd be great to study humanities at Notre Dame, but that is such a particular cult-like school, so really do a vibe check. Also, they do like their upper middle class/wealthy Catholic school kids so check your NY private school's data before applying ED. Rice is fantastic but very STEM-y, yet with really good humanities departments and the residential college system. Would think about that one, but a humanities boy might not be on the same nerd wavelength as other students. Northwestern seems kind of out of sorts these days. Another school that made its rep in the 90s as a fun, smart school - like Stanford - and then kind of lost its way and doesn't quite know what it is anymore. So by process of elimination, Chicago for the other ED contention. Traditional life of the mind school, but have worked hard over the past decade to get over the where fun goes to die thing. Everyone seems to rag on Chicago a bit, but I think they know what they're doing. They're building classes that are broader in scope than those of yore while keeping the smartness. And it's a school where applying ED is going to be advantageous.

Most kids at Rice double major, including the "STEM" kids forced into it by their parents. My DS was definitely more into the Humanities, but did one of each type of major (plus a minor) - very common! There is no special "STEM nerdiness" that will exclude others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3.8 GPA at top tier NYC private.35 ACT. No hooks, lots of good school-based ECs including leadership, fulfilling summer activities but nothing especially competitive.

Humanities boy. Would be thrilled with any of these reaches based on one visit to each (would def want to revisit)

UChicago
Rice
Vandy
Bowdoin
Middlebury
Williams
Northwestern
Davidson
ND

what to ED 1/2 or RD here?

Chicago loves ED. But what does kid want? Those are very different schools in terms of size, location etc. Most prestigious school they can get into?

Chicago is used to admitting lots of private school kids ED2 when their Ivy EDs don't work. You are fine there with ED2.

Chicago ed2 is full of Ivy rejects with Ivy stats. Ed1 is where you want to be with a 3.8