Rough sex amongst teens

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.



Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.


Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.


How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?


Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you


Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL


Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?


Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.


You do realize that mothers of boys are women themselves, correct?


So? Does that mean that they are helpful in this regard (to this discussion)? No, they are generally not. Though you'd hope they would be.
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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.



Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.


Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.


How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?


Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you


Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL


Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?


Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.


Stop worrying about what the “boy moms” (and I do hope you realize how immature you sound when you say this) are doing and instead learn how to stop infantilizing your daughter.


OT: you should count yourself lucky that you have not encountered the women call themselves boy moms!
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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.



Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.


Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.


How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?


Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you


Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL


Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?


Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.


Stop worrying about what the “boy moms” (and I do hope you realize how immature you sound when you say this) are doing and instead learn how to stop infantilizing your daughter.


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I got three boys. Boys are great.

Girl moms could try to raise fewer snowflakes and role modeling their anxiety onto their daughters, like getting offended by the term “boy moms.”
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Anonymous wrote:The girls are the ones telling the boys to choke them.



Yes, the same deluded girls drinking too much and telling boys they love anal. Girls that are desperate for male approval and hoping random hook-ups turn into Mr. Darcy.


Yup. Weird how people don’t understand that our disgusting porn-ified culture influences girls, too.

Unless you are an absolute freaking weirdo, no girl *naturally* wants anal sex, and no girl *naturally* wants to be GD choked. This is porn influence on a bunch of idiot boys and insecure girls.


It influences girls and women as likely is the reason the pleasure of orgasm for the woman is a low priority- from the NYT article:

“While the prevalence of choking has skyrocketed, rates of orgasm among young women have not increased, nor has the “orgasm gap” disappeared among heterosexual couples. “It indicates they’re not doing other things to enhance female arousal or pleasure,” Dr. Herbenick said.

When, for instance, she asked one male student who said he choked his partner whether he’d ever tried using a vibrator instead, he recoiled. “Why would I do that?” he asked.
Perhaps, she responded, because it would be more likely to produce orgasm without risking, you know, death.

In my interviews, college students have seen male orgasm as a given; women’s is nice if it happens, but certainly not expected or necessarily prioritized (by either partner). It makes sense, then, that fulfillment would be less the motivator for choking than appearing adventurous or kinky. Such performances don’t always feel good.”
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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


Ugh. The orgasm differential and the fact that the article has noticed that in a hetero hook-up, sexual pleasure and gratification (e.g., oral) tends to center on the male. And discomfort or pain (e.g., choking) tends to center on the female.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


Ugh. The orgasm differential and the fact that the article has noticed that in a hetero hook-up, sexual pleasure and gratification (e.g., oral) tends to center on the male. And discomfort or pain (e.g., choking) tends to center on the female.



If it's so dissatisfying why do women keep going back for more? They could just say "enough" and demand better.
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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.


I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.



Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!


So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.


Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.


Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.


Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.


Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.


This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.


I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.


Ugh. The orgasm differential and the fact that the article has noticed that in a hetero hook-up, sexual pleasure and gratification (e.g., oral) tends to center on the male. And discomfort or pain (e.g., choking) tends to center on the female.



If it's so dissatisfying why do women keep going back for more? They could just say "enough" and demand better.


Are you also the same person saying that girls are trying to engage and how in the world could boys say no to that. How is this not a double standard. How come boys can’t say no. How come boys can’t choose not to engage.

Fact is boys date rape drug girls, they assault them, they choke them, they rape them, they talk the girls into doing things and they demean them, and later they slut shame them.

Girls do not spike guy drinks, they don’t assault and rape them, they don’t choke them, they don’t slur shame them after.

But ah yes, girls should just say no. But what if they do. What if they are at a party and say no, but the guy doesn’t listen and chokes and penetrates her anyway. 99% of boy moms are gonna say, well it’s her fault. She shouldn’t be in a position that the boy is alone and excited with her. This is why 70% of high school and college assaults go unreported. The shaming.

But yes, girls should just say no and the poor boys are being pressured by girls. How can they not say no?!? LOL
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Women’s empowerment has gone so backward. The worst part is that they think they are being modern and progressive but are instead reducing themselves to simply being objects.
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Anonymous wrote:The girls are the ones telling the boys to choke them.



Yes, the same deluded girls drinking too much and telling boys they love anal. Girls that are desperate for male approval and hoping random hook-ups turn into Mr. Darcy.


Yup. Weird how people don’t understand that our disgusting porn-ified culture influences girls, too.

Unless you are an absolute freaking weirdo, no girl *naturally* wants anal sex, and no girl *naturally* wants to be GD choked. This is porn influence on a bunch of idiot boys and insecure girls.


It influences girls and women as likely is the reason the pleasure of orgasm for the woman is a low priority- from the NYT article:

“While the prevalence of choking has skyrocketed, rates of orgasm among young women have not increased, nor has the “orgasm gap” disappeared among heterosexual couples. “It indicates they’re not doing other things to enhance female arousal or pleasure,” Dr. Herbenick said.

When, for instance, she asked one male student who said he choked his partner whether he’d ever tried using a vibrator instead, he recoiled. “Why would I do that?” he asked.
Perhaps, she responded, because it would be more likely to produce orgasm without risking, you know, death.

In my interviews, college students have seen male orgasm as a given; women’s is nice if it happens, but certainly not expected or necessarily prioritized (by either partner). It makes sense, then, that fulfillment would be less the motivator for choking than appearing adventurous or kinky. Such performances don’t always feel good.”


I believe the “orgasm gap” highlighted in the NYT article is serious and not getting better. One way to address this would be to modify family-life-education (ie sex ed) for tweens and teens to be more positive and direct about boys pleasuring girls to the point of orgasm through the varied means available in 2024.

While not new, boys performing oral sex needs to be put in a much more positive light so both genders are more accepting, or even make it an expectation. And boys should be encouraged to purchase vibrators for use on their partners; girls should come to expect it, or made to feel to use their own during coitus to achieve orgasm.
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