Rough sex amongst teens

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

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Listen, there is nothing wrong with sex or kinky sex or any other type of pleasure IF both parties are all in. You just have to teach your teens to have boundaries, practice abstinence until they are truly ready, and use protection when they want to start. And girls can say no at any point and boys should listen to no at any point. And being under the influence can cause some serious issues of he said/she said you want to avoid. If the other one is making you feel uncomfortable, they aren't your person.

But parents want their heads in the sand and think their kids are angels while everyone else is trying to sway them, so they don't talk to them about this kinda stuff. And the kids feel shame if they do anything and usually lie to their parents. The fact is that both sexes are equally horny and curious. No one is right or wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Girls aren't slut shamed but they certainly don't seem to be enjoying this as much as you think. They want the attention from boys and will do what it takes. That's all very consensual but isn't very fulfilling in the end is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

It's not the "dumbest thing ever" and it would solve a lot of problems. But since we don't want to go there we're going to have to talk about fun things like why choking is bad and how you can still spread disease through oral or anal. People like to think they're having fun, no strings attached, sex on a whim with strangers, and how in control that makes them feel, but the reality is that a lot of people aren't having fun or liking it as much as you think they are.

Waiting until marriage would not solve a lot of problems. It would encourage early marriages which almost always end in divorce. How dumb are you?

70% of marriages before 20 end in divorce in less than 10 years
60% of marriages between 20-25 end in divorce
Divorce rates drop to 24% for first marriages after the age 25.

You expect a bunch of teens and 20 something virgins roaming the earth. Get real

Maybe not waiting until marriage but at least a committed relationship not just the first guy you meant on Tinder and having sex a few hours later and never hearing from them again. How's that working out for everyone?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why do you hate women so much?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?

Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?

Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.

Stop worrying about what the “boy moms” (and I do hope you realize how immature you sound when you say this) are doing and instead learn how to stop infantilizing your daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

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These girls want to do it to win the boys, and then lord it over other girls.

Agreed.

People don’t do kink because they like it; girls get pressured into it because of peer pressure and porn.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?

Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.

You do realize that mothers of boys are women themselves, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

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These girls want to do it to win the boys, and then lord it over other girls.

Agreed.

People don’t do kink because they like it; girls get pressured into it because of peer pressure and porn.

So say no?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

Thank you!! boy moms are the absolute worst. That is why they are terrible MIL

Why are you moms to only daughters so afraid to talk to your girls?

Why do you assume we don't? I know that I absolutely do. It's the opposite that is not happening. It never has. Boy moms thinks only of their boys and do nothing to combat the pressure inherent in the sexual experience (that's the kindest way to put it) that exists for girls.

What is a "boy mom" most people I know have boys AND girls. This is some made up caricature in your mind.

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i remember being a kid in the 80s and reading about the Robert Chambers “preppy murderer” case involving rough sex in central park. He strangled the girl to death. It nauseated me then, as this article did. We have to talk to our kids. For teens just experimenting with sex, this should be off limits. Its not something to try to be cool or bc it was in porn. Look, if youre an adult and into this, go ahead. Its not for me. It shouldnt be normalized for teens.

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LOL @ these prudish posters who think women aren't sexual (h0rny) human beings and only boys look at p0rn. WTF stereotype much?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

It's not the "dumbest thing ever" and it would solve a lot of problems. But since we don't want to go there we're going to have to talk about fun things like why choking is bad and how you can still spread disease through oral or anal. People like to think they're having fun, no strings attached, sex on a whim with strangers, and how in control that makes them feel, but the reality is that a lot of people aren't having fun or liking it as much as you think they are.

Waiting until marriage would not solve a lot of problems. It would encourage early marriages which almost always end in divorce. How dumb are you?

70% of marriages before 20 end in divorce in less than 10 years
60% of marriages between 20-25 end in divorce
Divorce rates drop to 24% for first marriages after the age 25.

You expect a bunch of teens and 20 something virgins roaming the earth. Get real

Maybe not waiting until marriage but at least a committed relationship not just the first guy you meant on Tinder and having sex a few hours later and never hearing from them again. How's that working out for everyone?

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