Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are

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Anonymous wrote:All the original vaccines pfizer, moderna, j&j showed no mortality benefit in their randomized controlled trials.

This is not true. Do better.

Show us the randomized controlled trials then. The only ones they had showed no mortality benefit. Of course the numbers weren't very large so maybe not enough people died but the numbers of people who did die were relatively equal between the groups.

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There are a lot of people that believe in the whole old school Bible - if God decides that you die from a disease then you deserve it. If a human-produced thing might hurt you then that's an abomination.

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Confirmed bias and dunning-krueger

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Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

Do you get flu shots?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Out of everything happening with the pandemic, this was your big complaint? Really?

JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband's cousin refused to get vaccinated. The cousin got covid, infected his elderly father - who for two years now has suffered extreme health problems as a result. He died yesterday.

The anti-vaxxer killed his father through his ignorance and selfishness.

My elderly parent was vaccinated maybe 5 times and still died after catching it. These vaccines are not stopping transmission like promised.

NP. The goal of vaccines is big to reduce transmission. We were lucky that the initial Covid vaccines did so. Vaccines are designed to prevent severe illness and death - Covid vaccines are still still effective in this regard.

Vaccines are designed to prevent people from contracting the disease. As per the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
"Vaccine: A suspension ... administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae."

What % of people who get the flu shot get the flu?

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Anonymous wrote:Confirmed bias and dunning-krueger

And flat out ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:Just because someone doesn't want a COVID vax doesn't mean they are anti-vaxx. I'm all for ACTUAL, tested, vaccinations.

I am anti-COVID vaxx. I do not want it. And it's not a vaccination - what "vaccination" requires new boosters every 6 months? It's essentially a flu shot (and I don't get those either). But it's not a vaccine.

Where is your medical degree from?

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Anonymous wrote:I might vaccinate against covid for the first time when an old-fashioned type of vaccine is on the market—the kind that prevents you from getting covid and prevents you from spreading it.

You know how you took the polio vaccine as a kid, and then you never got polio in the intervening decades? Just like that one.

Except people still did get polio breakthrough infections but now because of herd immunity the virus can’t get a foothold (until people stop immunizing to a certain level) Because of knuckleheads like you we will never get there with COVID.

Uh, no. COVID mutates rather quickly making the vaccine far less effective, so it can't provide a sterilizing immunity. The vaccine doesn't target a particularly stable area of the COVID protein.

The reason to mutates is because so many people are still getting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

Do you get flu shots?

Yup! I actually got it today!

The difference being: a flu shot actually tends to help prevent the flu. I also don't have side effects from flu shots, like I have with all 3 of my covid shots/boosters. Also? The flu is way worse than covid, in my experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I might vaccinate against covid for the first time when an old-fashioned type of vaccine is on the market—the kind that prevents you from getting covid and prevents you from spreading it.

You know how you took the polio vaccine as a kid, and then you never got polio in the intervening decades? Just like that one.

Except people still did get polio breakthrough infections but now because of herd immunity the virus can’t get a foothold (until people stop immunizing to a certain level) Because of knuckleheads like you we will never get there with COVID.

Uh, no. COVID mutates rather quickly making the vaccine far less effective, so it can't provide a sterilizing immunity. The vaccine doesn't target a particularly stable area of the COVID protein.

The reason to mutates is because so many people are still getting it.

Leaky vaccines drive mutations through selection pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

Do you get flu shots?

Yup! I actually got it today!

The difference being: a flu shot actually tends to help prevent the flu. I also don't have side effects from flu shots, like I have with all 3 of my covid shots/boosters. Also? The flu is way worse than covid, in my experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

Do you get flu shots?

Yup! I actually got it today!

The difference being: a flu shot actually tends to help prevent the flu. I also don't have side effects from flu shots, like I have with all 3 of my covid shots/boosters. Also? The flu is way worse than covid, in my experience.

Nice anecdote.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.

I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.

Agree with this. It was clear from the get-go that covid wasn't spreading outdoors, and the overwhelming majority of people who had a hard time were people already in declining health (elderly, very obese, or multiple comorbidities) Pushing a one-size-fits-all approach was moronic from the start. If public health officials were sensible in their recommendations, you would not see the pushback we have.

Yet, people are STILL calling healthy people "anti-vaxxers" for not continuing to get covid boosters. I'm 44 and had covid for the first time a few weeks ago. Not because I was cautious, but for whatever reason my body just never "took" the covid virus until 2.5 weeks ago. I did everything normally, including going to my gym maskless when they reopened in early June 2020. I haven't had a covid booster for almost 2 years.

I was in bed for 2-3 days, and by day 5 I was feeling like 95% and resumed short runs outside. There is zero reason for anyone like me (let alone healthy people younger than me) to get covid shots.

Do you get flu shots?

Yup! I actually got it today!

The difference being: a flu shot actually tends to help prevent the flu. I also don't have side effects from flu shots, like I have with all 3 of my covid shots/boosters. Also? The flu is way worse than covid, in my experience.

Nice anecdote.

Thanks. But that's precisely the point - a "one size fits all" approach to covid is and was always a horrible idea. So yeah, the anecdotes are very relevant and important.