Where are they going to find the teachers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

LOL yeah Villanova, Bryn Mawr, Haverford and Radnor. Real sh*t holes right there!!!!

Most of PA is hired by pyramid/town not at the county level. So if PP is in a higher COL district everything is rosy. Likewise if PP was in a crappy town everything looks crappy. In NOVA we have everyone helping everyone, there is variety in the student population. In PA it is completely segregated by town. Any teacher looks good when you put them in a high SES area. So the PP saw a bunch of teachers looking good because the students they taught had money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

LOL yeah Villanova, Bryn Mawr, Haverford and Radnor. Real sh*t holes right there!!!!

Most of PA is hired by pyramid/town not at the county level. So if PP is in a higher COL district everything is rosy. Likewise if PP was in a crappy town everything looks crappy. In NOVA we have everyone helping everyone, there is variety in the student population. In PA it is completely segregated by town. Any teacher looks good when you put them in a high SES area. So the PP saw a bunch of teachers looking good because the students they taught had money.

This is not completely true. The “good” school districts there pay teachers very well, so they have their pick of highly-qualified, experienced ones. PA is also not a right-to-work state, so unions are strong there. Happy teachers with strong institutional knowledge who stay year after year translates into good outcomes.

[Anonymous]

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Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.



PP said “suburban Philly” dimwit. Aka places like Lower Merion School District.

No, PP said "suburban Philadelphia," dimwit. Said with a nose in the air, I'm sure.

You’re not very bright. Follow along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

It’s not just northern va though. This state as a whole is indifferent-to-hostile towards teachers. It may improve as more districts approve collective bargaining but Va is 25th in teacher pay, and that’s with nova’s salaries that seem high but really aren’t compared to COL skewing the scale.

But as long as we have a Governor who’s more concerned with a teacher witch hunt and privatizing K12, nothing will improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

It’s not just northern va though. This state as a whole is indifferent-to-hostile towards teachers. It may improve as more districts approve collective bargaining but Va is 25th in teacher pay, and that’s with nova’s salaries that seem high but really aren’t compared to COL skewing the scale.

But as long as we have a Governor who’s more concerned with a teacher witch hunt and privatizing K12, nothing will improve.

And Northern VA is the national ground-zero for this battle. Not many new teachers are going to want to subject themselves to these kinds of conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

Makes sense to me. I'm a teacher here but with a much higher earning spouse. No way I'd stay in this area otherwise. I do it for the excellent health insurance and the school calendar schedule to be with my kids. I'm also not a classroom teacher which makes my life less stressful in my opinion. Also, I work strictly to my contract and don't go above and beyond. If they want to fire me, fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

It’s not just northern va though. This state as a whole is indifferent-to-hostile towards teachers.It may improve as more districts approve collective bargaining but Va is 25th in teacher pay, and that’s with nova’s salaries that seem high but really aren’t compared to COL skewing the scale.

Oh gosh, no. Nope, nope, nope. I'm the parlance of where I am now in Virginia, no Ma'am. Where I live in Virginia, teachers are a pillar of the community. They are respected, and treated well. Our schools are, in a word, functional. Don't expand your NOVA problems to the rest of Virginia. We're doing very well. Hope y'all catch up soon.

But as long as we have a Governor who’s more concerned with a teacher witch hunt and privatizing K12, nothing will improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

This generation is saying no to the ridiculousness that is teaching in NoVA! BRAVO! This is accurate....educators are barely surviving the chaos and BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

[Anonymous]

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s reaching crisis level and no one is doing a damn thing about it.

If DCUM is any indicator, they’re in denial. “Whatever, it’s no worse than any other year.”

They’re delusional.

There was literally a post in another thread this week where someone claimed there was no teacher shortage because the uva Ed school graduation was crowded.

DCUM at it’s finest.

I saw that post and literally laughed out loud. Delusional.