Where are they going to find the teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t VA require a master’s degree to teach? In my home state (a unionized, non-RTW state) you can teach with a bachelor’s in education.

No, a master’s degree is not required to teach in VA. I’ve never heard of that being a requirement in any state. It would create such a barrier to the profession given the educational cost in comparison to teacher pay.

Well then you don't get out much. It's been a requirement in NYS for decades.

Extremely high property taxes there

Sure but you get what you pay for. Much better schools. Much better teachers.

Check out spending on education in NYS vs VA.

Define “better.”

I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

[Anonymous]

Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t VA require a master’s degree to teach? In my home state (a unionized, non-RTW state) you can teach with a bachelor’s in education.

No, a master’s degree is not required to teach in VA. I’ve never heard of that being a requirement in any state. It would create such a barrier to the profession given the educational cost in comparison to teacher pay.

Well then you don't get out much. It's been a requirement in NYS for decades.

Extremely high property taxes there

Sure but you get what you pay for. Much better schools. Much better teachers.

Check out spending on education in NYS vs VA.

Define “better.”

I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Prior to 2020, this wasn't even possible. Bare minimum? Probably some. Teaching from Google slides? That's the pandemic - and possibly a lousy principal. When my kids got old enough to have whole group instruction instead of the workshop nonsense, it was a relief.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

+1. I teach in a somewhat desirable school (staff are happy with the admin, far less so with Gatehouse) and sit on a lot of interview panels. We are receiving far fewer applicants per position than we were just 3 or 4 years ago and the new teachers we are hiring are on the whole not as strong as the teachers we hired previously. The SpEd teachers we are hiring are all totally unqualified and dead weight, but they are the only applicants.

My own children are in early elementary and I am concerned about the education they will receive in a few years when many of the career teachers retire.

I’m just curious if you think the “strong” teachers you hired previously all started out that way. Everyone had to be new at one time. They learned the ropes from other experienced teachers and got better over time. If you turned your nose up at every new teacher thinking the supply of experienced teachers wanting to come here would never run out, you may have contributed to the problem we are now facing.

I have a family member who graduated into the 2012 market and struggled for years to get any traction in public schools. She didn’t know anyone being new to the area and refused to work for peanuts as a long term sub with no health insurance in the hopes she might get picked up for a contract some year. (She straight up couldn’t afford it with the loans she had to take out to get a state school degree). Now that she’s good and experienced from years in private schools, she has no desire to try with those districts that turned their noses up at her before.

It’s broader then teaching and the schools. There is an entire generation of Millennial graduates that got screwed by an employment market that thought the supply of top notch, experienced talent at cheap prices would never run out. Well, it did run out, and no one ever bothered to train the replacements. The next generation saw what was happening and said no thanks and went elsewhere. Chickens are coming home to roost.

Hmmm, I work at a public school and they rolled out the red carpet for these millennial teachers, but they just didn’t appreciate it and would get easily offended at the slightest bit of correction and took their ball elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

+1. I teach in a somewhat desirable school (staff are happy with the admin, far less so with Gatehouse) and sit on a lot of interview panels. We are receiving far fewer applicants per position than we were just 3 or 4 years ago and the new teachers we are hiring are on the whole not as strong as the teachers we hired previously. The SpEd teachers we are hiring are all totally unqualified and dead weight, but they are the only applicants.

My own children are in early elementary and I am concerned about the education they will receive in a few years when many of the career teachers retire.

I’m just curious if you think the “strong” teachers you hired previously all started out that way. Everyone had to be new at one time. They learned the ropes from other experienced teachers and got better over time. If you turned your nose up at every new teacher thinking the supply of experienced teachers wanting to come here would never run out, you may have contributed to the problem we are now facing.

I have a family member who graduated into the 2012 market and struggled for years to get any traction in public schools. She didn’t know anyone being new to the area and refused to work for peanuts as a long term sub with no health insurance in the hopes she might get picked up for a contract some year. (She straight up couldn’t afford it with the loans she had to take out to get a state school degree). Now that she’s good and experienced from years in private schools, she has no desire to try with those districts that turned their noses up at her before.

It’s broader then teaching and the schools. There is an entire generation of Millennial graduates that got screwed by an employment market that thought the supply of top notch, experienced talent at cheap prices would never run out. Well, it did run out, and no one ever bothered to train the replacements. The next generation saw what was happening and said no thanks and went elsewhere. Chickens are coming home to roost.

Hmmm, I work at a public school and they rolled out the red carpet for these millennial teachers, but they just didn’t appreciate it and would get easily offended at the slightest bit of correction and took their ball elsewhere.

They were also the generation that witnessed their peers get hired by IT companies who at the time offered a ton of ridiculous bennies and high salaries because they were awash in investor cash, throwing $$ around like candy at a Halloween parade, desperate to get in on the smart phone/app revolution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

+1. I teach in a somewhat desirable school (staff are happy with the admin, far less so with Gatehouse) and sit on a lot of interview panels. We are receiving far fewer applicants per position than we were just 3 or 4 years ago and the new teachers we are hiring are on the whole not as strong as the teachers we hired previously. The SpEd teachers we are hiring are all totally unqualified and dead weight, but they are the only applicants.

My own children are in early elementary and I am concerned about the education they will receive in a few years when many of the career teachers retire.

I’m just curious if you think the “strong” teachers you hired previously all started out that way. Everyone had to be new at one time. They learned the ropes from other experienced teachers and got better over time. If you turned your nose up at every new teacher thinking the supply of experienced teachers wanting to come here would never run out, you may have contributed to the problem we are now facing.

I have a family member who graduated into the 2012 market and struggled for years to get any traction in public schools. She didn’t know anyone being new to the area and refused to work for peanuts as a long term sub with no health insurance in the hopes she might get picked up for a contract some year. (She straight up couldn’t afford it with the loans she had to take out to get a state school degree). Now that she’s good and experienced from years in private schools, she has no desire to try with those districts that turned their noses up at her before.

It’s broader then teaching and the schools. There is an entire generation of Millennial graduates that got screwed by an employment market that thought the supply of top notch, experienced talent at cheap prices would never run out. Well, it did run out, and no one ever bothered to train the replacements. The next generation saw what was happening and said no thanks and went elsewhere. Chickens are coming home to roost.

Hmmm, I work at a public school and they rolled out the red carpet for these millennial teachers, but they just didn’t appreciate it and would get easily offended at the slightest bit of correction and took their ball elsewhere.

They were also the generation that witnessed their peers get hired by IT companies who at the time offered a ton of ridiculous bennies and high salaries because they were awash in investor cash, throwing $$ around like candy at a Halloween parade, desperate to get in on the smart phone/app revolution.

Those recession classes weren’t getting hired anywhere at all. They are still behind economically and many are still dealing with the fallout from the student loan chaos of those years.

Someone cited how many teachers were in the class of 2012 compared to today - many of them would be your 10-year seasoned teachers now, if anyone had hired them. Instead they moved on.

You want more teachers? Pay up and find a better way to hire and train new grads. In five years you may have a pipeline again.

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Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

How is it snotty to share observations. And Not Philly. Suburban Philadelphia. I would go back in a second if I could.

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Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

PP said “suburban Philly” dimwit. Aka places like Lower Merion School District.

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Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

LOL yeah Villanova, Bryn Mawr, Haverford and Radnor. Real sh*t holes right there!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t VA require a master’s degree to teach? In my home state (a unionized, non-RTW state) you can teach with a bachelor’s in education.

No, a master’s degree is not required to teach in VA. I’ve never heard of that being a requirement in any state. It would create such a barrier to the profession given the educational cost in comparison to teacher pay.

Well then you don't get out much. It's been a requirement in NYS for decades.

Extremely high property taxes there

Sure but you get what you pay for. Much better schools. Much better teachers.

Check out spending on education in NYS vs VA.

Define “better.”

I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Prior to 2020, this wasn't even possible. Bare minimum? Probably some. Teaching from Google slides? That's the pandemic - and possibly a lousy principal. When my kids got old enough to have whole group instruction instead of the workshop nonsense, it was a relief.

Of course it was.

[Anonymous]

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Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

Triggered much?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

Hahahaha no

[Anonymous]

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Define “better.”



I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.

How is it snotty to share observations. And Not Philly. Suburban Philadelphia. I would go back in a second if I could.

Not to derail the convo but in yiur opinion what are the best school districts in delco and southern chester county? Thinking about buying a house but i find thr tiny school district thing of suburban philly a little nerve wracking, only one high school per town seems so claustrophobic for kids! Really miss the DCPs system of giant schools and tons of choices so the way you were in kindergarten doesnt define the rest of your school career.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t VA require a master’s degree to teach? In my home state (a unionized, non-RTW state) you can teach with a bachelor’s in education.

No, a master’s degree is not required to teach in VA. I’ve never heard of that being a requirement in any state. It would create such a barrier to the profession given the educational cost in comparison to teacher pay.

Well then you don't get out much. It's been a requirement in NYS for decades.

Extremely high property taxes there

Sure but you get what you pay for. Much better schools. Much better teachers.

Check out spending on education in NYS vs VA.

Define “better.”

I taught in a desirable school district in suburban Philadelphia. There were 300 applicants for my position when I left. The teachers are highly qualified (MA plus), extremely professional, and work hard to differentiate. We had to relocate to the DMV and I now teach in NOVA. Many teachers here do the bare minimum-work contract hours and not a moment more, rely on Chromebooks for core instruction, and only teach whole group. It was a culture shock. The young teachers at my current school all have an exit plan.

As a parent, I appreciate your perspective!

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Then maybe you should go back there. Hard-working NOVA teachers don't need snooty teachers from Philly of all places (read: sh*thole) putting us down.



PP said “suburban Philly” dimwit. Aka places like Lower Merion School District.

No, PP said "suburban Philadelphia," dimwit. Said with a nose in the air, I'm sure.