Where are they going to find the teachers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s reaching crisis level and no one is doing a damn thing about it.

If DCUM is any indicator, they’re in denial. “Whatever, it’s no worse than any other year.”

They’re delusional.

I'm not sure what you think anyone can do, to create people who aren't there.

Oh, oh I have some ideas!

Pay them better

Put some actual Covid protocols in place so they don't get Covid repeatedly

Give them better leave when they do get sick

Stop listening to the awful parents rights crowd

There are national polls of teachers and the biggest reason for them leaving are the students' mental health issues from the school shut downs and the resulting violence.

I’m really sorry, but it’s been THREE YEARS and your COVID card is summarily denied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

[Anonymous]

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I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience its mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. Its pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

[Anonymous]

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I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience its mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. Its pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

It’s not like that in APS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience its mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. Its pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

It’s not like that in APS

We do actually use a similar system at our APS school. PP/LCPS sub, have you considered why they use that system? The reasons are, IME:
1. Admins want consistency (often due to parent whining about why Larlo’s class is doing something different than their cousin’s dentist’s nephew Larla down the hall).
2. It’s way too much work for one person otherwise. Good lessons — and we’re making whole-class and small-group ones — take hours to plan, especially when working with district resources that are either lacking or not well aligned to our state standards. So please accept my heartfelt apologies for not having an answer for every phrase when “Mrs. So-and-so made that test."
I’m not sure how you get to label this “pretty shocking and disappointing.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience its mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. Its pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

It’s not like that in APS

We do actually use a similar system at our APS school. PP/LCPS sub, have you considered why they use that system? The reasons are, IME:
1. Admins want consistency (often due to parent whining about why Larlo’s class is doing something different than their cousin’s dentist’s nephew Larla down the hall).
2. It’s way too much work for one person otherwise. Good lessons — and we’re making whole-class and small-group ones — take hours to plan, especially when working with district resources that are either lacking or not well aligned to our state standards. So please accept my heartfelt apologies for not having an answer for every phrase when “Mrs. So-and-so made that test."
I’m not sure how you get to label this “pretty shocking and disappointing.”

I’m PP, while we share some things it’s certainly not identical from class to class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

You are delusional.

I wish! I’m a high school teacher. I got a textbook, and that was it. I make all of my own lessons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

You are delusional.

I wish! I’m a high school teacher. I got a textbook, and that was it. I make all of my own lessons.

Was responding to the poster that said we are just given lesson plans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

Two SPED teachers at my school resigned and the admin hired "resident" teachers for next year. That will be a fun year!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience it’s mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. It’s pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

The McDonaldsfication of education.

[Anonymous]

And all that talk about differentiating your lessons is a bunch of bs.

[Anonymous]

Districts will either cram more and more kids into a room
OR
Provide virtual instruction (either kids are at home or kids are at school but the teacher is virtual)