Where are they going to find the teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:Districts will either cram more and more kids into a room
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Provide virtual instruction (either kids are at home or kids are at school but the teacher is virtual)

Yeah I hear that’s worked out well historically.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

Cool. Where are they?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

Cool. Where are they?

Oh yes, a real easy one. So easy you could do it, right? Well come on over!

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Considering how many new teachers are supposed to be around, every principal I know is sure having a hard time finding them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if admin has a bad reputation and and they are failing to recruit and retain teachers, then they should be reassigned.

Um. Who exactly is going to be the new admin?

Depends on district and how they treat school-based admin. When the school-based admin is under constant threat, you have a different environment than when school-based admin can support good teachers.

When school-based admin are pompous, short-sighted and self-aggrandizing, good teachers will flee.

When district admin, school board and parents want to blame every problem
On the planet on teachers, good teachers will flee and you’re left with idiots or the well-intentioned who will wreck themselves early.

We -everyone- needs to start making decisions that benefit children and support teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

So they are saying the quiet part out loud-warm bodies!

I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

You are delusional.

I wish! I’m a high school teacher. I got a textbook, and that was it. I make all of my own lessons.

Now who’s delusional? There are no textbooks and haven’t been for years and years.

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I mean, the teachers already just teach from slides someone else made, with assignments and pacing someone else made.

This is patently untrue.

I've done LT subbing jobs in both EL and Resource/Sped, which are both push-in, and in my experience its mostly true. All the teachers in the same grade and school are teaching the same thing on the same day from the same slides. They all give the same assignemnts and assessments. Same with subject matter teachers in MS. I haven't subbed in HS yet. Also when my kids ask their teachers about assignments or questions on tests that don't make sense, the teachers will openly tell them, "I'm not sure, Mrs. So-and-so made that test." So they didn't even read the test they are giving??!? This is in LCPS by the way. Its pretty shocking and disappointing. I would move them in a heartbeat but they are socially ingrained and would be furious at me.

It’s not like that in APS

We do actually use a similar system at our APS school. PP/LCPS sub, have you considered why they use that system? The reasons are, IME:
1. Admins want consistency (often due to parent whining about why Larlo’s class is doing something different than their cousin’s dentist’s nephew Larla down the hall).
2. It’s way too much work for one person otherwise. Good lessons — and we’re making whole-class and small-group ones — take hours to plan, especially when working with district resources that are either lacking or not well aligned to our state standards. So please accept my heartfelt apologies for not having an answer for every phrase when “Mrs. So-and-so made that test."
I’m not sure how you get to label this “pretty shocking and disappointing.”

PP is a parent who also subs. She's part of the entitled Nova parents crowd that makes teachers not want to teach here. Apparently in her world teachers should each spend every waking moment personally designing customized lesson plans for her little Larlo and Larla. Nothing off off the shelf for her snowflakes!

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

Two SPED teachers at my school resigned and the admin hired "resident" teachers for next year. That will be a fun year!

what's a resident teacher?

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Anonymous wrote:Considering how many new teachers are supposed to be around, every principal I know is sure having a hard time finding them.

Completely depends on the subject

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

Two SPED teachers at my school resigned and the admin hired "resident" teachers for next year. That will be a fun year!

what's a resident teacher?

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Someone with a bachelors but no teaching license. No formal education training, student teaching experience, etc. Bachelors in marketing? Teach 3rd grade. Bachelors in literature? Cool, how ‘bout ESOL?

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I teach at a “good” school, where in years past we would have 20-30 applicants for every available position, most with many years of experience. We have an open position now, and got 4 total applications. Only 3 of them actually hold a teaching license, and none of those 3 have any experience.

If this is the way it is at a good school…oof, the rough ones are going to have no one.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

Two SPED teachers at my school resigned and the admin hired "resident" teachers for next year. That will be a fun year!

My spouse had 2 residents at his school this year. Neither made it past spring break and those classes now have a parade of long term subs.

But there are plenty teachers around!

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Anonymous wrote:I teach at a “good” school, where in years past we would have 20-30 applicants for every available position, most with many years of experience. We have an open position now, and got 4 total applications. Only 3 of them actually hold a teaching license, and none of those 3 have any experience.

If this is the way it is at a good school…oof, the rough ones are going to have no one.

Same scenario at our middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

Current teacher here: there is not a great—or even passable— supply of new teachers.

low supply and low quality/low experience

NP. Our daughter just graduated with her masters in teaching. She knows not one fellow graduate (bachelors or masters) who is coming to Northern Virginia to teach. Reasons cited were the cost of living and the difficulty in dealing with the admins here and the parents. Word’s out. If folks want a pipeline of qualified teachers you have to pay more (in this expensive area) and build a culture that supports teachers in their primary mission. In the school where she did her student teaching there are a number of FORMER Northern Virginia teachers - they viewed this area as place to survive in, not thrive in. From advisors, colleagues, and fellow students not one was hot on coming to this area.

My nephew graduated with his M.Ed. in secondary education. No one else in his graduating class was even actually going into classroom teaching. All were going into other areas of academics. I found that very interesting. He will begin fulltime teaching this fall but not in this area.

Our admin said, not to worry, they would just fill the vacancies with subs. I guess they’ll just order them off of Amazon. 🤦

Our admin hasn't said it, but I think they're thinking the same thing. We could never fill sub jobs this year either.

Two SPED teachers at my school resigned and the admin hired "resident" teachers for next year. That will be a fun year!

My spouse had 2 residents at his school this year. Neither made it past spring break and those classes now have a parade of long term subs.

But there are plenty teachers around!

What is a “resident”? Is that someone doing a career switcher program? What does it mean?

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The posts about the lack of teachers/paucity of applicants for open positions are almost useless unless the poster says the grade or the subject. And please don’t say it’s across the board bc I know of 8-10 recent grads with masters specializing is social studies who are still looking for positions in nova.