Data show people are fleeing MoCo for Frederick

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Anonymous wrote:The median sales prince of a home right now in Montgomery County is $532K. If you cannot afford that, maybe you should be looking to improve your finances.
https://www.redfin.com/county/1324/MD/Montgomery-County/housing-market

Montgomery County is less expensive on a median sales price basis than DC, Arlington, and Fairfax. It is only slightly more expensive than Prince George’s.

I truly have a hard time understanding this belief that the county is unaffordable.

It's not..

Politicians think everyone is entitled to the convenience of living close in. They are jealous of people living in $3M homes a few blocks from bethesda on their 1/3 of an acre. How unfair!

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

Yes. For example, building duplexes in neighborhoods of "single family homes" makes sense. And only affects neighborhoods in a "negative way" if you're a person who's terrified of people who live in duplexes.

No. Most who live in SFH neighborhoods want exactly that. Not something else. Very simple. MoCo has plenty of commercial space that can be converted to all sorts of residential housing from apartments, to condos, to townhouses, to duplexes. The demand for retail space and office space is not returning. Rockville Pike alone has plenty of underutilized real estate.

+1. There is so much wasted space on some of these thoroughfares- Georgia Ave is such an eyesore. Why not actually invest in a dedicated space that needs revitalizing rather than tear down random houses and build patchwork duplexes in SFH neighborhoods?

What I find most bizarre is how fixated these Silver Spring and Takoma Park liberals are on Bethesda. Why not dedicate that same energy to promoting investment in your own community? Restaurants are closing in downtown Takoma Park. Downtown Silver Spring is in a bad way at the moment. What are these people doing spending all their time bemoaning that there are a small and diminishing number of rich people left in small pockets of this county?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

There's the old "if you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!" thing again.

I think your opinion of your importance to Montgomery County is a lot higher than other people's opinions of your importance to Montgomery County.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

The real exodus began 20 years ago when many natives left. Because they wanted to live in nicer neighborhoods in better school districts they could not afford in MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

There's the old "if you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!" thing again.

I think your opinion of your importance to Montgomery County is a lot higher than other people's opinions of your importance to Montgomery County.

You might want to talk to the NYC Mayor and CA Governor, who fully understand that their state's finances depend heavily on not just the top 25% but the top 1%.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

Lets be real. MoCo needs places for the rich to live. Other counties do also. If no place for the rich to live, they will move. Since they are rich, they generally have more choices than me. If MoCo has no rich people, MoCo has no money to fund whatever someone's favorite program is. At the Federal level, the top 25% paid 89% of the Federal income taxes collected in 2020.

There's the old "if you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!" thing again.

I think your opinion of your importance to Montgomery County is a lot higher than other people's opinions of your importance to Montgomery County.

You might want to talk to the NYC Mayor and CA Governor, who fully understand that their state's finances depend heavily on not just the top 25% but the top 1%.

If you don't be nice to me, I will take my ball and go home!

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Anonymous wrote:Keep raising taxes, increasing crime due to progressive criminal justice reform, and choking off economic and businesses growth MoCo council:

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/data-shows-montgomery-county-residents-are-leaving-for-frederick-county

MoCo has entered the spiral down. People with means are fleeing, so how do think the county is going to try to keep the budget from blowing out? Expect many more tax increases in the future, because that's the solution the clowns in charge only ever have. People with means will keep on fleeing, and the tax base will crumble further.

The real exodus began 20 years ago when many natives left. Because they wanted to live in nicer neighborhoods in better school districts they could not afford in MoCo.

Natives left? All my friends and family have grown up in Moco their whole lives. Pretty much everyone I interact with grew up in Moco and still lives there today. Far less transplants in Moco than Nova/DC

Who left?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

“…way more than they’re worth…”

LMAO…what are they worth? How did you calculate that valuation?

A reminder of why it’s useless to argue with YIMBYs…Feelings Economics 101.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now).

It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.

I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there.

Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you.

Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.

Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.

DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.

Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant.