Data show people are fleeing MoCo for Frederick

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

In other words, the policies have affected that PP directly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

Yes. For example, building duplexes in neighborhoods of "single family homes" makes sense. And only affects neighborhoods in a "negative way" if you're a person who's terrified of people who live in duplexes.

No. We all know the inevitable where a single duplex gets rented out to multiple people who then drive multiple cars per duplex. They have nowhere to park and start parking their cars all over the neighborhood, junking up the place, making neighborhoods run down, and leaving cars unmoved for weeks/months. Then there will be inevitable where duplexes get turned into party Airbnbs or house a bunch of morons who party all hours at the night because they're stuck in their post college phase and drink everynight.

Stop trying to ruin neighborhoods and homes. Thanks.

Well, there you go. Another person who would undoubtedly be happier living somewhere that is not in Montgomery County.

Go junkify up another area of the country. So many people around here got good educations and worked hard for what they have. Sorry that you feel entitled to it. You want to ruin what other people worked for because it is the easier way out. How about we park cars in front of your home for weeks on end that are leaking oil and antifreeze, or put the cars up on blocks while we take 4 weeks to repair it in front of your house. You are free to move if you don't like housing costs. No one is entitled to live where they want.

You want to turn suburban leftist women into Republicans? Screw up their home life and affect their child’s quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Urban sprawl is not necessarily equal to "fleeing".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

Yes. For example, building duplexes in neighborhoods of "single family homes" makes sense. And only affects neighborhoods in a "negative way" if you're a person who's terrified of people who live in duplexes.

No. Most who live in SFH neighborhoods want exactly that. Not something else. Very simple. MoCo has plenty of commercial space that can be converted to all sorts of residential housing from apartments, to condos, to townhouses, to duplexes. The demand for retail space and office space is not returning. Rockville Pike alone has plenty of underutilized real estate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

Yes. For example, building duplexes in neighborhoods of "single family homes" makes sense. And only affects neighborhoods in a "negative way" if you're a person who's terrified of people who live in duplexes.

No. We all know the inevitable where a single duplex gets rented out to multiple people who then drive multiple cars per duplex. They have nowhere to park and start parking their cars all over the neighborhood, junking up the place, making neighborhoods run down, and leaving cars unmoved for weeks/months. Then there will be inevitable where duplexes get turned into party Airbnbs or house a bunch of morons who party all hours at the night because they're stuck in their post college phase and drink everynight.

Stop trying to ruin neighborhoods and homes. Thanks.

Well, there you go. Another person who would undoubtedly be happier living somewhere that is not in Montgomery County.

Go junkify up another area of the country. So many people around here got good educations and worked hard for what they have. Sorry that you feel entitled to it. You want to ruin what other people worked for because it is the easier way out. How about we park cars in front of your home for weeks on end that are leaking oil and antifreeze, or put the cars up on blocks while we take 4 weeks to repair it in front of your house. You are free to move if you don't like housing costs. No one is entitled to live where they want.

You want to turn suburban leftist women into Republicans? Screw up their home life and affect their child’s quality of life.

Agree 100% The Small Man in FL certainly holds this view

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

Yes. For example, building duplexes in neighborhoods of "single family homes" makes sense. And only affects neighborhoods in a "negative way" if you're a person who's terrified of people who live in duplexes.

No. Most who live in SFH neighborhoods want exactly that. Not something else. Very simple. MoCo has plenty of commercial space that can be converted to all sorts of residential housing from apartments, to condos, to townhouses, to duplexes. The demand for retail space and office space is not returning. Rockville Pike alone has plenty of underutilized real estate.

+1. There is so much wasted space on some of these thoroughfares- Georgia Ave is such an eyesore. Why not actually invest in a dedicated space that needs revitalizing rather then tear down random houses and build patchwork duplexes in SFH neighborhoods?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

Exactly. There’s a deliberate push to break up suburbia and single family homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate.

"The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance.

I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.

Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.

Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit.

Plenty of backslapping for all.

This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.

The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.

What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.

stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell.

There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip.

Nah, everyone deserves to live in Kenwood. Not fair someone worked hard for their property!

[Anonymous]

Moco is so unaffordable. Where will anyone live?

Two teachers could easily buy this house.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/20016-Octavia-Ct-Gaithersburg-MD-20886/37222184_zpid/

[Anonymous]

I’d like a house in Georgetown with a garage. I have never once complained that I cannot afford it. Live where you can afford or figure out how to make more money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d like a house in Georgetown with a garage. I have never once complained that I cannot afford it. Live where you can afford or figure out how to make more money.

Can you run for office?

[Anonymous]

The median sales prince of a home right now in Montgomery County is $532K. If you cannot afford that, maybe you should be looking to improve your finances.
https://www.redfin.com/county/1324/MD/Montgomery-County/housing-market

Montgomery County is less expensive on a median sales price basis than DC, Arlington, and Fairfax. It is only slightly more expensive than Prince George’s.

I truly have a hard time understanding this belief that the county is unaffordable.