Murder of Robert Wone on Peacock

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of blood in the room, coupled with the limited time to clean up, is so weird. I wonder if they attacked him in the shower. Horrible however it went down. I hope he gets justice someday.

I think it was a thrill kill. I was told by someone who moved in the elite high power folk BDSM scene with Joe that they likely had a cleaning crew on hand. I was not sure what to make of that but it was a very creepy convo to have in a professional setting. You can hire specialized crews to clean blood, etc usually after a homicide or suicide. As colleague said, no need for a time delay.

Not only was it carefully planned but it was a race against time esp with the way sound travels in those houses. And they did get away with it, so far. Maybe Joe wanted the other 2 to be powerfully bound to him. 3 men, 3 stab wounds, quite the legal conundrum is everyone stays silent.

Absolutely tragic.

This also took place before Ring cameras, etc. I suspect there were parties who left, if it happened today may have been caught on video.

I agree. And what boggles my mind more than anything, is this -- how do you know that these two other people you live with are also sadistic psychopathic killers? I mean, if you or I asked our best friend or spouse or boyfriend if they'd be down for doing something like this, I would hope that would be the end of the relationship and an involuntary stay at a psychiatric hospital.

The idea that people would and could talk about doing something like this with other people, planning it out....it just horrifies me that a) there are people that sick out there and b) they somehow found each other.

It is really that hard to understand, they were in a 3 way BDSM relationship.

But it wasn’t a 3-way relationship. It was two 2-way relationships. Joe and Victor were domestic partners with kids; Joe and Dylan were in a BDSM relationship that didn’t include Victor. I tend to think Joe and Dylan killed Robert and Victor was only involved in covering it up (why, who knows, but if he wasn’t I think he’d have flipped). I think that’s what makes it so hard to charge anybody - we all know “they” did it, but which one(s)?

Were the kids living with them?

No, answered above. Kids lived with moms in Silver Spring.

Property records show that Joe and Victor left Florida last year and last/current address is also Silver Spring.

Perfect time to get some answers then

If I thought it would help I would love to donate money to help this investigation along already, but I don't think this is a money issue here. I hope they will be able to make arrests on this in the near future.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of blood in the room, coupled with the limited time to clean up, is so weird. I wonder if they attacked him in the shower. Horrible however it went down. I hope he gets justice someday.

I think it was a thrill kill. I was told by someone who moved in the elite high power folk BDSM scene with Joe that they likely had a cleaning crew on hand. I was not sure what to make of that but it was a very creepy convo to have in a professional setting. You can hire specialized crews to clean blood, etc usually after a homicide or suicide. As colleague said, no need for a time delay.

Not only was it carefully planned but it was a race against time esp with the way sound travels in those houses. And they did get away with it, so far. Maybe Joe wanted the other 2 to be powerfully bound to him. 3 men, 3 stab wounds, quite the legal conundrum is everyone stays silent.

Absolutely tragic.

This also took place before Ring cameras, etc. I suspect there were parties who left, if it happened today may have been caught on video.

I agree. And what boggles my mind more than anything, is this -- how do you know that these two other people you live with are also sadistic psychopathic killers? I mean, if you or I asked our best friend or spouse or boyfriend if they'd be down for doing something like this, I would hope that would be the end of the relationship and an involuntary stay at a psychiatric hospital.

The idea that people would and could talk about doing something like this with other people, planning it out....it just horrifies me that a) there are people that sick out there and b) they somehow found each other.

It is really that hard to understand, they were in a 3 way BDSM relationship.

But it wasn’t a 3-way relationship. It was two 2-way relationships. Joe and Victor were domestic partners with kids; Joe and Dylan were in a BDSM relationship that didn’t include Victor. I tend to think Joe and Dylan killed Robert and Victor was only involved in covering it up (why, who knows, but if he wasn’t I think he’d have flipped). I think that’s what makes it so hard to charge anybody - we all know “they” did it, but which one(s)?

Were the kids living with them?

No, answered above. Kids lived with moms in Silver Spring.

Property records show that Joe and Victor left Florida last year and last/current address is also Silver Spring.

Perfect time to get some answers then

If I thought it would help I would love to donate money to help this investigation along already, but I don't think this is a money issue here. I hope they will be able to make arrests on this in the near future.

I do not know if civil and criminal agreements have any overlap, but I wonder if they could have had it in their settlement with Kathy Wone that she would not pursue criminal liability. Again, I don't know if that's even possible or if the decision would be the state's, not hers alone.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of blood in the room, coupled with the limited time to clean up, is so weird. I wonder if they attacked him in the shower. Horrible however it went down. I hope he gets justice someday.

I think it was a thrill kill. I was told by someone who moved in the elite high power folk BDSM scene with Joe that they likely had a cleaning crew on hand. I was not sure what to make of that but it was a very creepy convo to have in a professional setting. You can hire specialized crews to clean blood, etc usually after a homicide or suicide. As colleague said, no need for a time delay.

Not only was it carefully planned but it was a race against time esp with the way sound travels in those houses. And they did get away with it, so far. Maybe Joe wanted the other 2 to be powerfully bound to him. 3 men, 3 stab wounds, quite the legal conundrum is everyone stays silent.

Absolutely tragic.

This also took place before Ring cameras, etc. I suspect there were parties who left, if it happened today may have been caught on video.

I agree. And what boggles my mind more than anything, is this -- how do you know that these two other people you live with are also sadistic psychopathic killers? I mean, if you or I asked our best friend or spouse or boyfriend if they'd be down for doing something like this, I would hope that would be the end of the relationship and an involuntary stay at a psychiatric hospital.

The idea that people would and could talk about doing something like this with other people, planning it out....it just horrifies me that a) there are people that sick out there and b) they somehow found each other.

It is really that hard to understand, they were in a 3 way BDSM relationship.

But it wasn’t a 3-way relationship. It was two 2-way relationships. Joe and Victor were domestic partners with kids; Joe and Dylan were in a BDSM relationship that didn’t include Victor. I tend to think Joe and Dylan killed Robert and Victor was only involved in covering it up (why, who knows, but if he wasn’t I think he’d have flipped). I think that’s what makes it so hard to charge anybody - we all know “they” did it, but which one(s)?

Were the kids living with them?

No, answered above. Kids lived with moms in Silver Spring.

Property records show that Joe and Victor left Florida last year and last/current address is also Silver Spring.

Perfect time to get some answers then

If I thought it would help I would love to donate money to help this investigation along already, but I don't think this is a money issue here. I hope they will be able to make arrests on this in the near future.

I do not know if civil and criminal agreements have any overlap, but I wonder if they could have had it in their settlement with Kathy Wone that she would not pursue criminal liability. Again, I don't know if that's even possible or if the decision would be the state's, not hers alone.

Not possible or at the very least not enforceable.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there was a consensual BDSM type of sex between Joe, Victor and Robert that have gone horribly wrong with Robert ended up dying by asphyxiation.

Joe’s communications with Dylan showed they were looking for a 3rd to do BDSM play that and Victor wasn’t expected to come home until his plans changed. Victor’s not into BDSM. The presence of Robert’s semen is crucial. This makes me think that he was probably operating on a “down low” with his wife. This happens everyday in real life,

The manner of death was probably due to erotic asphyxiation. The stabbing was staged. They did the stabbing after asphyxiation gone wrong, cleaned him up, put his dress on (remember no fiber of his shirt was found on the knife) put his mouth guard in, put him in bed, and then Victor freaked out, got everyone riled up causing him to call 911.

"The manner of death was probably due to erotic asphyxiation." I guess you didn't read the full autopsy report/coroner's report. Also, you have just breezed by all the injection marks on his body. And the fact that Robert was straight.

The chief coroner indeed said cause of death was wound stabbing, I believe he was already dead by asphyxiation before he was stabbed. Have you heard of “down low”?

DP. There’s no evidence that he’s gay other than him being murdered by gay men.

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Anonymous wrote:The shoddiness of the DC lab, weakness of the USAO office and bungling of the handling of the house did the case no favors. I do believe MPD tried hard, this case was a huge focus. Had there been more blood more tests could have been run then or in the future.

I keep coming back to where did all the blood go? Down a drain or siphoned off?

I dunno if I'd say that MPD did their best, though. Wasn't it MPD who was responsible for incorrect application of the substance that was used to try to find more forensic evidence (not luminol, something else)? I definitely think that the USAO got outgunned by the defense, which is pretty predictable. I'm a social worker, not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a jury trial would probably be a better call for both sides, but ESPECIALLY the prosecution, given the problems with the case. "Murder weapon" that is probably not the murder weapon, extreme lack of forensic evidence on the scene, no confessions or movement at all from the 3 living people in the house - all of those things definitely create a reasonable doubt if you're trying to convict them of murder, but that's not what the trial was. Those things definitely create an impression that the 3 living people went to great lengths to cover things up, and juries seem more likely to make an emotional call vs a judge who would maybe see it more clinically.

+1 on jury trial

I'm shocked that the prosecutor just rolled over and let defense have the judge decide it

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Anonymous wrote:The shoddiness of the DC lab, weakness of the USAO office and bungling of the handling of the house did the case no favors. I do believe MPD tried hard, this case was a huge focus. Had there been more blood more tests could have been run then or in the future.

I keep coming back to where did all the blood go? Down a drain or siphoned off?

I dunno if I'd say that MPD did their best, though. Wasn't it MPD who was responsible for incorrect application of the substance that was used to try to find more forensic evidence (not luminol, something else)? I definitely think that the USAO got outgunned by the defense, which is pretty predictable. I'm a social worker, not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a jury trial would probably be a better call for both sides, but ESPECIALLY the prosecution, given the problems with the case. "Murder weapon" that is probably not the murder weapon, extreme lack of forensic evidence on the scene, no confessions or movement at all from the 3 living people in the house - all of those things definitely create a reasonable doubt if you're trying to convict them of murder, but that's not what the trial was. Those things definitely create an impression that the 3 living people went to great lengths to cover things up, and juries seem more likely to make an emotional call vs a judge who would maybe see it more clinically.

+1 on jury trial

I'm shocked that the prosecutor just rolled over and let defense have the judge decide it

Isn't that the defendants' constitutionally protected choice?

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If the "friends" are back in Silver Spring, clearly they feel they can live in the area without any hassle. Are they still practicing lawyers, and are they still rich?

I know nothing about this murder, except what I've read on this thread. It seems to me, that quickly killing a grown man, draining out his blood, and cleaning up so thoroughly that no forensic evidence was found, points to very experienced killers. Very experienced killers.

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Wone was lured there. I'm certain of it. He did not go willingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Wone was lured there. I'm certain of it. He did not go willingly.

How do you explain him telling his wife he was going there if he didn’t go there willingly?

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Anonymous wrote:The shoddiness of the DC lab, weakness of the USAO office and bungling of the handling of the house did the case no favors. I do believe MPD tried hard, this case was a huge focus. Had there been more blood more tests could have been run then or in the future.

I keep coming back to where did all the blood go? Down a drain or siphoned off?

I dunno if I'd say that MPD did their best, though. Wasn't it MPD who was responsible for incorrect application of the substance that was used to try to find more forensic evidence (not luminol, something else)? I definitely think that the USAO got outgunned by the defense, which is pretty predictable. I'm a social worker, not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a jury trial would probably be a better call for both sides, but ESPECIALLY the prosecution, given the problems with the case. "Murder weapon" that is probably not the murder weapon, extreme lack of forensic evidence on the scene, no confessions or movement at all from the 3 living people in the house - all of those things definitely create a reasonable doubt if you're trying to convict them of murder, but that's not what the trial was. Those things definitely create an impression that the 3 living people went to great lengths to cover things up, and juries seem more likely to make an emotional call vs a judge who would maybe see it more clinically.

+1 on jury trial

I'm shocked that the prosecutor just rolled over and let defense have the judge decide it

Isn't that the defendants' constitutionally protected choice?

I'm not sure, I'm not a lawyer. The way the doc presented it, the prosecutor said he essentially "let the defense have that one [because I'm such a good guy]," which didn't make sense to me.

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If I recall that there was a 4th person living at the house, a woman. She was not present the night of the murder, but returned the next morning. I wonder how much she knew about her roommates extracurricular activities.

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Anonymous wrote:If I recall that there was a 4th person living at the house, a woman. She was not present the night of the murder, but returned the next morning. I wonder how much she knew about her roommates extracurricular activities.

I went to college with her.

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Anonymous wrote:If the "friends" are back in Silver Spring, clearly they feel they can live in the area without any hassle. Are they still practicing lawyers, and are they still rich?

I know nothing about this murder, except what I've read on this thread. It seems to me, that quickly killing a grown man, draining out his blood, and cleaning up so thoroughly that no forensic evidence was found, points to very experienced killers. Very experienced killers.

Joe is a lawyer, Victor is in marketing. He worked on the "Got Milk?" campaign.

I wonder if they left FL when Dylan got married?

Off to see if Joe has an active DC bar license.

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Joe still appears to be licensed in DC.

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I just finished the documentary, and I wonder how these men paid for their defense. I read somewhere that Bernie Grimm alone costs about $250K just to get to trial...did they get funding help from the gay community?