The JK Rowling Podcast

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

Yes, it is misogyny. It saddens me that Gen Z is not seeing that.

Gen Z is seeing it. It’s the millennials that don’t. TikTok is full of young women pushing back on gender ideology. You just don’t see it if you aren’t on TikTok.

I think Gen Z has very, very little tolerance for bullshit. They lived through their schools being shut down and their lives being upended, and they will not going along with pretending that the emperor had no clothes.

Do you know any teens? Because all of the many teens I know don’t think this is a big deal at all.

I know and am around a lot of teens.

What they say publicly and what they say privately are very different. Teens, especially girls, who say anything against gender ideology face exclusion and for the girls, the possibility of violence. They all know that.

This group is not going to tolerate what the millennials did.

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Anonymous wrote:She's a mediocre writer and a hateful person. I'm glad the 10 year olds of today have no interest in HP.

The issues are alot more nuanced than that. This is kind of what I was getting to in my OP - the extreme right & extreme left are equally hysterical and have read things into Rowling that aren't there. (I'm not calling you hysterical specifically - I mean that ideology that has put words in Rowling's mouth and now calls her Voldemort).

The podcast is calm, not defensive...the second episode gives some cultural context and background for what caused the 'satanic panic' reaction to Rowling's books.

I will never forget being yelled at by a woke person on Tumblr about Nymphadora Tonks. I had expressed how much I appreciated that Rowling wrote a character like Tonks because I saw my twenty-something awkward tomboy-self in her. The Tumblrite screamed at me for erasing nonbinary people, that I was appropriating THEIR character, that Tonks was nonbinary but Rowling betrayed us all by having Tonks marry Lupin and become more feminine afterwards.

I actually wondered if I should have felt guilty for being an oppressive cis woman and "stealing" Tonks from them. I had anxiety wondering if Rowling and I were bad people.

The woke left is absolutely a cult and they are just as terrible as the Christian right.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading content from the Cleveland Clinic about pregnancy recently it did not mention to work woman/women even once. Like this page, 14 occurrences of "people" and 0 of "women":
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/9709-pregnancy-am-i-pregnant

That's crazy to me. We are women. We constitute 99.999999% of the pregnancies in this country. How do you just gloss over that?

My OB office made me fill up a form where one of the question was "sex assigned at birth: male / female". I was tempted to say that it was assigned at birth but observed, just like in 99.999999% of cases since the beginning of times.

Wait-- why would a transwoman need an OB?

I wondered the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading content from the Cleveland Clinic about pregnancy recently it did not mention to work woman/women even once. Like this page, 14 occurrences of "people" and 0 of "women":
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/9709-pregnancy-am-i-pregnant

That's crazy to me. We are women. We constitute 99.999999% of the pregnancies in this country. How do you just gloss over that?

My OB office made me fill up a form where one of the question was "sex assigned at birth: male / female". I was tempted to say that it was assigned at birth but observed, just like in 99.999999% of cases since the beginning of times.

Wait-- why would a transwoman need an OB?

I wondered the same.

I wondered why some transwomen claim they have cramps after they start HRT. We live in crazy times.

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

No, it’s empowering people to define themselves.

Really? Then why aren’t we allowed to define who a woman is based on lived experience? Why are we attacked for saying that women and women and that transwomen are transwomen?

I don't understand this either. I agree with Rowling, but God Forbid you say that publicly. You risk a lot. And isn't that the whole problem This has been so sensationalized that (natal) women are made to fear their safety...yet again!

Trans women are not the same as natal women. If they were born women, they wouldn't be trans in the first place. It is nonsensical to me that they feel they *must* have the exact same moniker and that natal women *must* deny reality and once again be at the bottom when it comes to rights and wishes. As groups they have different needs, medical and otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

It doesn't affect me ? Yes it does affect me. The way people refer to me affects me. I am a woman and would like to be called a woman. People are coming up with all sorts of pronouns they want others to use but women have to suck it up and be called people because it makes others more comfortable?

We are all people. Nothing wrong with that.

You are either a troll or very young and naive.

No, I’m old and have learned that we are all just humans trying to do our thing. Be kind; don’t be a jerk. Drop the hate.

The hate is not coming from the vast majority of the natal women who have concerns on this thread. But once again, the concerns of natal women are deemed irrelevant. And if we voice them, we are hateful and hysterical or jerks or whatever.

No. Your view is overly simplistic and unrealistic. And I can still feel this way and be kind and supportive of trans individuals. But, like ANY other group on earth, I don't have to agree with everything they say.

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Can the critics of JK Rowling on the thread identify some of her statements that are "hateful"?

Is it just that she has questioned whether the physical reality and lived experiences of biological women and transwomen are not identical? Or opposed, e.g. transwomen in womens' prisons? Or is it something else?

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Anonymous wrote:She like Kanye, Brittany spears, Charlie sheen

Probably a genius. Severely mentally ill. Lives by the motto “there’s no such thing as bad press”. She’s an attention whore.

It makes me sad these people are so ill.

The media loves to exploit them.

Lol, project much?

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Everyone is so very nice and polite on this thread. No one wants to state the obvious, Which is that the trans women movement is just another form of misogyny. JK Rowling is getting the hate because she financed a crisis center for abused women in Scotland. Genuine women. Not trans. Maybe women who have been raped don't want to share a room with some stranger who has a penis. Shocking. Maybe some people don't think it's fair for some 6'1 mediocre male swimmer to suddenly declare he's a woman and swim for the University of Pennsylvania and win everything because of his biological advantages. And maybe people forget that the only reason Youngkin became governor of a pretty blue state is because Loudoun County officials decided to move a trans woman rapist from school to school. And arrest a victim's father when he objected.

No one has any issues with trans men. But the colonization of women's spaces by trans women has become ridiculous. But say anything and watch your livelihood be destroyed, Must be quiet. Can't be accused of being a TERF. Bette Midler is the enemy.

It's become a theater of the absurd

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

Yes, it is misogyny. It saddens me that Gen Z is not seeing that.

I’m in a both/and camp. I agree that gender is largely a construct and can imagine a world where being female and male are like avatars. But, JK Rowling is also reminding us that society and humans are also complex and primal. Women have not and do not have equal protections and there are physical realities that can be exploited. And are being exploited.

I trust that Gen Z will work it out, though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading content from the Cleveland Clinic about pregnancy recently it did not mention to work woman/women even once. Like this page, 14 occurrences of "people" and 0 of "women":
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/9709-pregnancy-am-i-pregnant

That's crazy to me. We are women. We constitute 99.999999% of the pregnancies in this country. How do you just gloss over that?

My OB office made me fill up a form where one of the question was "sex assigned at birth: male / female". I was tempted to say that it was assigned at birth but observed, just like in 99.999999% of cases since the beginning of times.

Wait-- why would a transwoman need an OB?

I wondered the same.

A transman might need an OB.

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

Yes, it is misogyny. It saddens me that Gen Z is not seeing that.

Gen Z is seeing it. It’s the millennials that don’t. TikTok is full of young women pushing back on gender ideology. You just don’t see it if you aren’t on TikTok.

I think Gen Z has very, very little tolerance for bullshit. They lived through their schools being shut down and their lives being upended, and they will not going along with pretending that the emperor had no clothes.

Do you know any teens? Because all of the many teens I know don’t think this is a big deal at all.

I know and am around a lot of teens.

What they say publicly and what they say privately are very different. Teens, especially girls, who say anything against gender ideology face exclusion and for the girls, the possibility of violence. They all know that.

This group is not going to tolerate what the millennials did.

BS. It’s legit not a big deal for most teens today. Maybe teens in conservative areas who grew up hearing bigoted things from their parents won’t be as accepting.

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

It doesn't affect me ? Yes it does affect me. The way people refer to me affects me. I am a woman and would like to be called a woman. People are coming up with all sorts of pronouns they want others to use but women have to suck it up and be called people because it makes others more comfortable?

We are all people. Nothing wrong with that.

This is gaslighting and you know it.

Yes, this is akin to "all lives matter". This inclusiveness nonsense is only used as a tool to deprive women or minorities of their sense of identity.

I like this analogy.

I really think an analogy could be made. Women, like black people and other groups have a sense of identity and belonging that is perceived as a threat by the "oppressor" (for lack of better word).

Transgender women certainly know what it’s like to be oppressed. Just look at this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

Yes, it is misogyny. It saddens me that Gen Z is not seeing that.

Gen Z is seeing it. It’s the millennials that don’t. TikTok is full of young women pushing back on gender ideology. You just don’t see it if you aren’t on TikTok.

I think Gen Z has very, very little tolerance for bullshit. They lived through their schools being shut down and their lives being upended, and they will not going along with pretending that the emperor had no clothes.

Just because your TikTok algorithm has your biases pegged doesn’t mean that you are getting accurate information. All the polls I’ve seen indicate that GenZ has the highest percentage of people who don’t believe in a gender binary.

Link?

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Anonymous wrote:I was actively supporting LGBTQI rights until they decided to walk all over women's rights, at a time when hard-won gains are being reversed all over the world. Women are being marginalized, quite literally, pushed to the side, told to be quiet and make space. The words to describe us are disappearing from our lexicon, from article, and studies. We have become merely "people". While the violence against us and the hate of women continue to claim our lives and destroy our spirits.

Spot on.

Can't believe how much I was manipulated by this extreme gender ideology for years. Kinda angry with myself for letting them walk all over my boundaries, while also marginalizing my own abuse experiences.

YES. If I read about "pregnant people " anymore I will lose it.

Why? What’s the harm is there being inclusive? It doesn’t affect you. You can still say woman.

So trans women are to be called women but biological women should be called people?

No. Both are women.

Let's see if transwomen would like to be called transpeople for the sake of inclusiveness. It removes the most central part of our identity and you know it. Words have power.

Nothing is being removed. You can still call yourself a woman. You are fine.

Exactly. The notion that we are genderless until we proactively claim our womanhood is disempowering to the greater community of women. We no longer have a right to our community and safe spaces. WE no longer get to define womanhood. Instead, a group of men is doing that for us. I think we call that misogyny

No, it’s empowering people to define themselves.

Here is a bunch of women telling you that we are women. We just are. We are not jumping through any of your hoops. We just exist that's enough. Who are to ask us to define ourselves? I am not doing that. I just am.

There you go. You just did.

Exactly.