DeSantis Wants to Takeover Progressive College

[Anonymous]

A lot of judgmental people here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and name calling, when you disagree, is very small minded. There are plenty of people who agree with Desantis which is why he is where he is. If you took a moment to try and understand why he and others feel the way they do, maybe you can be enlightened without necessarily changing your point of view. Go ahead and call me maga, whatever that means. It’s the easy reaction when you encounter someone like me (and btw, I am not a fan of trump). So…instead of stomping around like a pissed off toddler, take a deep dive on the reasons he is proposing these changes. I am not seeing any improvement in race relations, in fact, I see things getting much much worse and the common denominator is people are looking for reasons to blame minorities. It goes both ways and the more attention we call to it, the worse it gets. Most people are not hateful, we can’t forget that so we need to stop constantly trying to divide the population in the quest for bringing us together.

[Anonymous]

Right now he can not run for President while being gov so....

FYI The Florida House Speaker is on the record that he wants to change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of judgmental people here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and name calling, when you disagree, is very small minded. There are plenty of people who agree with Desantis which is why he is where he is. If you took a moment to try and understand why he and others feel the way they do, maybe you can be enlightened without necessarily changing your point of view. Go ahead and call me maga, whatever that means. It’s the easy reaction when you encounter someone like me (and btw, I am not a fan of trump). So…instead of stomping around like a pissed off toddler, take a deep dive on the reasons he is proposing these changes. I am not seeing any improvement in race relations, in fact, I see things getting much much worse and the common denominator is people are looking for reasons to blame minorities. It goes both ways and the more attention we call to it, the worse it gets. Most people are not hateful, we can’t forget that so we need to stop constantly trying to divide the population in the quest for bringing us together.

When emotion rather than logic becomes the driving force of a certain subset of culture this is what you get. Logical people can see positives and negatives on both sides without calling people Hitler, Stalin, Fascist etc. The fringe elements on both sides are the same in action and tactics, liberals just have a bigger platform and a false sense of moral superiority which leads to legitimacy that should not be given as it shouldn't to the other side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

If that's really your concern "proud liberal," then you might be interested to know that enrollment increased 30% last year, the first full year the now-fired President was in office.

That’s good to hear. But does one year a trend make? And should an “honors college” have a 60 percent graduation rate?

I’m not saying that that a$$hole Desantis should turn the school into a right wing hell hole, but refusing to admit the obvious - that the school isn’t exactly thriving - isn’t helpful either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

If that's really your concern "proud liberal," then you might be interested to know that enrollment increased 30% last year, the first full year the now-fired President was in office.

That’s good to hear. But does one year a trend make? And should an “honors college” have a 60 percent graduation rate?

I’m not saying that that a$$hole Desantis should turn the school into a right wing hell hole, but refusing to admit the obvious - that the school isn’t exactly thriving - isn’t helpful either.

New College of Florida is great for stoners who do not want to worry about grades and want to spend lots of time at the beach.

If you have ever visited while school was in session, you know that referring to the students as stoners was accurate. I am not criticizing, but I do not think that taxpayer dollars should be funding a beach camp for stoners.

[Anonymous]

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Right now he can not run for President while being gov so....

FYI The Florida House Speaker is on the record that he wants to change that.

DeSantis is changing the Constitution that is why Dems needed to win the legislature UGH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Right now he can not run for President while being gov so....

FYI The Florida House Speaker is on the record that he wants to change that.

DeSantis is changing the Constitution that is why Dems needed to win the legislature UGH

The people voted, that's how it works. Cope

[Anonymous]

New College of Florida has a small enrollment of about 700 undergrad students.

20% do NOT return for their second year.

Online reviews by New College students include frequent comments that the school revolves around drugs, drinking, & parties.

NOT an athletic school.

6 year graduation rate is about 60%. This is terrible.

The top 5 employers of graduates is not impressive with Publix supermarkets being the #3 top employer. ("Plastic or paper ?")

[Anonymous]

I have not read all of the posts in this thread. Am wondering whether any posts discuss similarities between Hampshire College & New College. Hampshire nearly shut down a few years ago, but is doing an aggressive money raising campaign to keep its doors open. Hampshire College will introduce a new, more traditional curriculum as the old "progressive" experiment failed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

If that's really your concern "proud liberal," then you might be interested to know that enrollment increased 30% last year, the first full year the now-fired President was in office.

That’s good to hear. But does one year a trend make? And should an “honors college” have a 60 percent graduation rate?

I’m not saying that that a$$hole Desantis should turn the school into a right wing hell hole, but refusing to admit the obvious - that the school isn’t exactly thriving - isn’t helpful either.

New College of Florida is great for stoners who do not want to worry about grades and want to spend lots of time at the beach.

If you have ever visited while school was in session, you know that referring to the students as stoners was accurate. I am not criticizing, but I do not think that taxpayer dollars should be funding a beach camp for stoners.

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WaPo is so clueless. No wonder their readers are too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read all of the posts in this thread. Am wondering whether any posts discuss similarities between Hampshire College & New College. Hampshire nearly shut down a few years ago, but is doing an aggressive money raising campaign to keep its doors open. Hampshire College will introduce a new, more traditional curriculum as the old "progressive" experiment failed.

NP. Are you sure about that? DD has a friend there and seems to be doing well with the current curriculum. Your word choice betrays some bias here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of judgmental people here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and name calling, when you disagree, is very small minded. There are plenty of people who agree with Desantis which is why he is where he is. If you took a moment to try and understand why he and others feel the way they do, maybe you can be enlightened without necessarily changing your point of view. Go ahead and call me maga, whatever that means. It’s the easy reaction when you encounter someone like me (and btw, I am not a fan of trump). So…instead of stomping around like a pissed off toddler, take a deep dive on the reasons he is proposing these changes. I am not seeing any improvement in race relations, in fact, I see things getting much much worse and the common denominator is people are looking for reasons to blame minorities. It goes both ways and the more attention we call to it, the worse it gets. Most people are not hateful, we can’t forget that so we need to stop constantly trying to divide the population in the quest for bringing us together.

First, I agree that we should focus more on academics and less on equity. I actually think that colleges should look at SES more than race if the goal is to even the playing field. I also think schools need to hold kids accountable for their behaviors. So I have my qualms with the status quo. But to blame the worsening race relations in this country to trying to learn about history is misguided at best. Learning about all the crap your (using your in the general sense) ancestors did throughout history can a) help you understand where others are coming from/how generational trauma impacts different groups, b) see how current events tie to history, c) hopefully prevent history from repeating itself. Here is the thing---the point of teaching this stuff isn't to make white people feel bad or to absolve members of oppressed groups from their actions. We were learning all this stuff while getting a liberal arts education decades ago. And it was't controversial.
Do you know what is making race relations worse? Right wing propaganda. A failing safety net. Widening income gap. A Congress that is essentially bought by special interests groups and the rich. Ask yourself this-who benefits from crappy race relations? Crappy class relations? From a divided society? People like DeSantis and company (on both sides of the aisle) don't want harmony between groups. Cause if Billy Bob in rural whatever can't blame the "illegals," "urban AA's," and libetards for his problems, I don't know... he might start looking at the people actually making the decisions. And that doesn't bode well for them.

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Anonymous wrote:He wants a liberal arts college in the mold of Hillsdale. It’s a public college, why shouldn’t it reflect the values of the state? Elections have consequences, if Florida voters want a progressive college, they should have voted for someone who agrees

I don't remember "Turn New College into Hillsdale" as part of his campaign platform.

What part of "public university" do you not understand? As governor, he can appoint six board members to any public university in Florida. There are still liberal board members - but now there is finally a balance. Get over yourself.
DP

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But oh no, it's the eeeeeeeend of the woooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:If more than 90% of the colleges are controlled by liberals (many of them are very liberal), almost no conservatives are allowed or can take right wing positions in these colleges, what's wrong with a tiny number of colleges to turn conservative? If you do not admit that liberals have taken over colleges across US, you are delusional and do not live in reality. Same thing for news media. Everything needs something to balance in search for truth.

This. Zero chance of getting tenure if you are openly republican - even a Mitt Romney style republican. Sorry but DeSantis was totally correct about covid and is getting this right, too.

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Good for him. Why should 99% of American universities be liberal?

Because most intelligent people want nothing to do with today's "conservative" movement.

Most of Florida voters said the opposite. That's why DeSantis is re-elected with a huge margin including historically Democrat counties. The liberals only live in echo chambers like most of the colleges and news media where only one conforming voice is allowed. Forbidding even a debate that Covid-19 may be leaked from a lab is one example how dangerous the one voice society has become. The cancel culture is now everywhere.

This exactly. We’re moving to Florida.

We just did!!

Smartest move ever, joining the 1.5 million smart people who've done the same since 2020.

PP, do come

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a tiny struggling public liberal arts college with an almost non-existent endowment. The governor has every right to step in

Not if his agenda is Christo Nationalism.

Not if his agenda is being a dictator!