DeSantis Wants to Takeover Progressive College

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

That's a a good point, BUT is it really what he is doing here? Looking at academic standards? This does not seem to be the case at all; he doesn't give a crap about Florida academics. He is pandering to his base with things like the Stop Woke Act.

Exactly. He is only interested in getting publicity for these efforts in order to further his own political career.

OMG, I can't even. What a joke. Thanks for posting this - really hammers home the need for *someone* to shape this place into something resembling a college, where people actually learn things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a tiny struggling public liberal arts college with an almost non-existent endowment. The governor has every right to step in

Not if his agenda is Christo Nationalism.

Not if his agenda is being a dictator!

OMG. Do you even hear yourself? You're insane. No one takes people like you seriously.
DP

You should take the idea of Christian Nationalism very seriously. Many of the people involved in January 6 were driven by that idea. There's a good chunk of the Republican base that takes it very seriously. DeSantis is perfectly happy to embrace that movement in order to be president.

It bears repeating: NO ONE takes you seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Funny how no one cared about New College just a few weeks ago...

I cared. My kid applied. He won't be attending. I'll take my (full pay) dollars elsewhere.

Is he into druggie funfests, per PP above?

No, he's into philosophy, sociology and computer science. He's interested in finding ways that the online environment can be shaped to produce more prosocial behavior. He doesn't drink or do drugs. He's a quiet, serious curious kid that wants a more laid back environment.

You outed yourself. He was never going to New College.

[Anonymous]

Haven't read this thread and maybe its been said many times but if not...If FL wants to wreck their colleges, that's their business. They elect these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haven't read this thread and maybe its been said many times but if not...If FL wants to wreck their colleges, that's their business. They elect these people.

The hyperbole from some of you is beyond amusing, Florida is not wrecking their colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haven't read this thread and maybe its been said many times but if not...If FL wants to wreck their colleges, that's their business. They elect these people.

New College was circling the drain. Not enough Marxist gender fluid SJWs in the state to keep the enrollment numbers strong, I guess. DeSantis's move will turn it into a selective school within a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haven't read this thread and maybe its been said many times but if not...If FL wants to wreck their colleges, that's their business. They elect these people.

This was a failing school with a miserable graduation rate and no standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

That's a a good point, BUT is it really what he is doing here? Looking at academic standards? This does not seem to be the case at all; he doesn't give a crap about Florida academics. He is pandering to his base with things like the Stop Woke Act.

Exactly. He is only interested in getting publicity for these efforts in order to further his own political career.

OMG, I can't even. What a joke. Thanks for posting this - really hammers home the need for *someone* to shape this place into something resembling a college, where people actually learn things.

I don't know what you "can't even" here. This person is speaking truth to power. Which is one very important thing college students should be learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a tiny struggling public liberal arts college with an almost non-existent endowment. The governor has every right to step in

Not if his agenda is Christo Nationalism.

Not if his agenda is being a dictator!

OMG. Do you even hear yourself? You're insane. No one takes people like you seriously.
DP

You should take the idea of Christian Nationalism very seriously. Many of the people involved in January 6 were driven by that idea. There's a good chunk of the Republican base that takes it very seriously. DeSantis is perfectly happy to embrace that movement in order to be president.

It bears repeating: NO ONE takes you seriously.

I take this poster seriously. I am not NO ONE.

[Anonymous]

Is anyone aware here about the grad rate at public universities across the country? Is New College really that much of an outlier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone aware here about the grad rate at public universities across the country? Is New College really that much of an outlier?

new college sux

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. Proud liberal with even more liberal and proud adult children, one of whom seriously considered NCF as a high school senior nearly two decades ago before going to a top private liberal arts college. Here’s my question:

Isn’t it fair to say, putting politics and ideology aside, that it really IS true that the school has struggled in recent years? While most good schools - and nearly all Florida state schools - have seen applications and admissions standard skyrocket, things have been stagnant / declining at NCF for years. Few students who are qualified for admission to top schools now are seriously considering NCF. UF’s standards are much higher now than NCF’s and historically it was the opposite.

I’m not saying that admissions standards are the be all and end all, but they do serve as a proxy for how a school is progressing. And with NCF being a state school and with a state’s budget being limited, why isn’t it fair for the state to take a look at what it might do to make NCF more competitive in the educational marketplace?

That's a a good point, BUT is it really what he is doing here? Looking at academic standards? This does not seem to be the case at all; he doesn't give a crap about Florida academics. He is pandering to his base with things like the Stop Woke Act.

Exactly. He is only interested in getting publicity for these efforts in order to further his own political career.

OMG, I can't even. What a joke. Thanks for posting this - really hammers home the need for *someone* to shape this place into something resembling a college, where people actually learn things.

I don't know what you "can't even" here. This person is speaking truth to power. Which is one very important thing college students should be learning.

Well, let's see: "And now we all need to oppose this attempt by the DeSantis *regime* to *seize* New College for himself and his own political ambition! He wants to use this beautiful campus and school for GRIFT! For his own political indoctrination blah blah blah!" This could have come straight out of The Onion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a tiny struggling public liberal arts college with an almost non-existent endowment. The governor has every right to step in

Not if his agenda is Christo Nationalism.

Not if his agenda is being a dictator!

OMG. Do you even hear yourself? You're insane. No one takes people like you seriously.
DP

You should take the idea of Christian Nationalism very seriously. Many of the people involved in January 6 were driven by that idea. There's a good chunk of the Republican base that takes it very seriously. DeSantis is perfectly happy to embrace that movement in order to be president.

It bears repeating: NO ONE takes you seriously.

I take this poster seriously. I am not NO ONE.

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of judgmental people here. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and name calling, when you disagree, is very small minded. There are plenty of people who agree with Desantis which is why he is where he is. If you took a moment to try and understand why he and others feel the way they do, maybe you can be enlightened without necessarily changing your point of view. Go ahead and call me maga, whatever that means. It’s the easy reaction when you encounter someone like me (and btw, I am not a fan of trump). So…instead of stomping around like a pissed off toddler, take a deep dive on the reasons he is proposing these changes. I am not seeing any improvement in race relations, in fact, I see things getting much much worse and the common denominator is people are looking for reasons to blame minorities. It goes both ways and the more attention we call to it, the worse it gets. Most people are not hateful, we can’t forget that so we need to stop constantly trying to divide the population in the quest for bringing us together.

First, I agree that we should focus more on academics and less on equity. I actually think that colleges should look at SES more than race if the goal is to even the playing field. I also think schools need to hold kids accountable for their behaviors. So I have my qualms with the status quo. But to blame the worsening race relations in this country to trying to learn about history is misguided at best. Learning about all the crap your (using your in the general sense) ancestors did throughout history can a) help you understand where others are coming from/how generational trauma impacts different groups, b) see how current events tie to history, c) hopefully prevent history from repeating itself. Here is the thing---the point of teaching this stuff isn't to make white people feel bad or to absolve members of oppressed groups from their actions. We were learning all this stuff while getting a liberal arts education decades ago. And it was't controversial.
Do you know what is making race relations worse? Right wing propaganda. A failing safety net. Widening income gap. A Congress that is essentially bought by special interests groups and the rich. Ask yourself this-who benefits from crappy race relations? Crappy class relations? From a divided society? People like DeSantis and company (on both sides of the aisle) don't want harmony between groups. Cause if Billy Bob in rural whatever can't blame the "illegals," "urban AA's," and libetards for his problems, I don't know... he might start looking at the people actually making the decisions. And that doesn't bode well for them.

+1 Yes, this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't read this thread and maybe its been said many times but if not...If FL wants to wreck their colleges, that's their business. They elect these people.

New College was circling the drain. Not enough Marxist gender fluid SJWs in the state to keep the enrollment numbers strong, I guess. DeSantis's move will turn it into a selective school within a few years.

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