Algebra 1 in 5th

[Anonymous]

A previous poster mentioned it’s hard to find parents in a similar situation to talk to. It is true, not only these kids are rare but you’d be totally misunderstood as bragging. Some will try hard to find a perceived fault your kid has, eg he’s smart in math but he’s not sociable, or made some mistake sometime in something etc. people can be as competitive in academics as the parents overly involved in their kids sports. And believe me I’ve seen grown men insulting each other for some stupid referee decision.

My approach is that I’ll never volunteer any kind of specific academic information unless directly asked. Better to express the pride for your child in general terms, like he’s a great kid etc.

[Anonymous]

^^ forgot the multiple personality disorder insult!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When asked for the college name and class you instead:

- post a link for a class for grades 6-8;

- post a second link for a class for grade 8+; and then

- post an insult, as previously mentioned, is your MO when cornered with something you don’t like.

There is no such college class. Colleges do not offer any for credit college classes that have no deadlines and no proctored exams. Please…stop with the nonsense.

Boy, you really are aren’t that bright! Seriously, you are so ignorant, but actually believe you are truly knowledgeable!

Take your time to read up about the CTY program at John Hopkins University, before you post again and embarrass yourself further.

There are two levels to qualify, for CTY level you need to test two grades above the current grade, for the advanced level the student needs to test 4 grades above. My son qualified for advanced in 3rd grade (proctored exam since you care that much about this detail). That’s not that special since there are probably thousands of kids passing that bar as well.

So all the 6-8 graders taking that Algebra class are actually capable of doing at least 8-10 typical grade work, usually even more advanced.

AP calculus is a typical 1st year college level class for STEM degrees. It is labeled 8+ grade because these kids are literally 4 grades ahead. They even have an award ceremony with a special category for kids that are 6 grades ahead by some nationally accepted test. At that point these distinctions are not that meaningful, but just to give you a rough idea on how accelerated some students are.

Trust me that these classes are more rigorous than remedial Elementary Algebra and Calculus at most community colleges. And not ti throw a shade at the cc, they just serve a different student demographic.

Also there are plenty of college classes that are open books, honors system exam, I’m guessing you didn’t go to college in US, otherwise you know this. I took many of them myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taking Algebra early is not the problem that many PPs are making it out to be. Most of the kids skipped ahead like this have no problem anywhere with any of the math. If they do have a problem, they have plenty of time to retake classes, which is a luxury that most other kids don't have. If they take calculus in 9th, then it's not a big problem to do AP Stats in 10, DE multivariable calc and linear algebra in 11th, and then just take a real college class at GMU in 12th.

Why though? What's the point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When asked for the college name and class you instead:

- post a link for a class for grades 6-8;

- post a second link for a class for grade 8+; and then

- post an insult, as previously mentioned, is your MO when cornered with something you don’t like.

There is no such college class. Colleges do not offer any for credit college classes that have no deadlines and no proctored exams. Please…stop with the nonsense.

Boy, you really are aren’t that bright! Seriously, you are so ignorant, but actually believe you are truly knowledgeable!

Take your time to read up about the CTY program at John Hopkins University, before you post again and embarrass yourself further.

There are two levels to qualify, for CTY level you need to test two grades above the current grade, for the advanced level the student needs to test 4 grades above. My son qualified for advanced in 3rd grade (proctored exam since you care that much about this detail). That’s not that special since there are probably thousands of kids passing that bar as well.

So all the 6-8 graders taking that Algebra class are actually capable of doing at least 8-10 typical grade work, usually even more advanced.

AP calculus is a typical 1st year college level class for STEM degrees. It is labeled 8+ grade because these kids are literally 4 grades ahead. They even have an award ceremony with a special category for kids that are 6 grades ahead by some nationally accepted test. At that point these distinctions are not that meaningful, but just to give you a rough idea on how accelerated some students are.

Trust me that these classes are more rigorous than remedial Elementary Algebra and Calculus at most community colleges. And not ti throw a shade at the cc, they just serve a different student demographic.

Also there are plenty of college classes that are open books, honors system exam, I’m guessing you didn’t go to college in US, otherwise you know this. I took many of them myself.

Name the college and class, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When asked for the college name and class you instead:

- post a link for a class for grades 6-8;

- post a second link for a class for grade 8+; and then

- post an insult, as previously mentioned, is your MO when cornered with something you don’t like.

There is no such college class. Colleges do not offer any for credit college classes that have no deadlines and no proctored exams. Please…stop with the nonsense.

Boy, you really are aren’t that bright! Seriously, you are so ignorant, but actually believe you are truly knowledgeable!

Take your time to read up about the CTY program at John Hopkins University, before you post again and embarrass yourself further.

There are two levels to qualify, for CTY level you need to test two grades above the current grade, for the advanced level the student needs to test 4 grades above. My son qualified for advanced in 3rd grade (proctored exam since you care that much about this detail). That’s not that special since there are probably thousands of kids passing that bar as well.

So all the 6-8 graders taking that Algebra class are actually capable of doing at least 8-10 typical grade work, usually even more advanced.

AP calculus is a typical 1st year college level class for STEM degrees. It is labeled 8+ grade because these kids are literally 4 grades ahead. They even have an award ceremony with a special category for kids that are 6 grades ahead by some nationally accepted test. At that point these distinctions are not that meaningful, but just to give you a rough idea on how accelerated some students are.

Trust me that these classes are more rigorous than remedial Elementary Algebra and Calculus at most community colleges. And not ti throw a shade at the cc, they just serve a different student demographic.

Also there are plenty of college classes that are open books, honors system exam, I’m guessing you didn’t go to college in US, otherwise you know this. I took many of them myself.

NP: I have a BS and 2 masters degrees from 3 different well regarded universities and have never heard of this. I think it is an anomaly vs the norm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When asked for the college name and class you instead:

- post a link for a class for grades 6-8;

- post a second link for a class for grade 8+; and then

- post an insult, as previously mentioned, is your MO when cornered with something you don’t like.

There is no such college class. Colleges do not offer any for credit college classes that have no deadlines and no proctored exams. Please…stop with the nonsense.

Boy, you really are aren’t that bright! Seriously, you are so ignorant, but actually believe you are truly knowledgeable!

Take your time to read up about the CTY program at John Hopkins University, before you post again and embarrass yourself further.

There are two levels to qualify, for CTY level you need to test two grades above the current grade, for the advanced level the student needs to test 4 grades above. My son qualified for advanced in 3rd grade (proctored exam since you care that much about this detail). That’s not that special since there are probably thousands of kids passing that bar as well.

So all the 6-8 graders taking that Algebra class are actually capable of doing at least 8-10 typical grade work, usually even more advanced.

AP calculus is a typical 1st year college level class for STEM degrees. It is labeled 8+ grade because these kids are literally 4 grades ahead. They even have an award ceremony with a special category for kids that are 6 grades ahead by some nationally accepted test. At that point these distinctions are not that meaningful, but just to give you a rough idea on how accelerated some students are.

Trust me that these classes are more rigorous than remedial Elementary Algebra and Calculus at most community colleges. And not ti throw a shade at the cc, they just serve a different student demographic.

Also there are plenty of college classes that are open books, honors system exam, I’m guessing you didn’t go to college in US, otherwise you know this. I took many of them myself.

NP: I have a BS and 2 masters degrees from 3 different well regarded universities and have never heard of this. I think it is an anomaly vs the norm.

I have a bachelors, masters and a JD (law) degree. I’ve also taught some college classes. All of this was in the United States. I’ve also never heard of this.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP with the kid who was skipped ahead 2 years in FCPS. I can't imagine seeking a community college or regular college class for an ES aged kid to take high school math. The mismatch between the kid's ability and the CC class would be huge. On one hand, the class would mostly be remedial learners and wouldn't be rigorous enough for a highly gifted child. On the other, there's no way my kid at age 10 would have had the maturity or executive function to sit in a class aimed at adults.

If your kid is way beyond the offerings at public school, do AoPS. Or do RSM. They know how to handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways. My kid did Algebra I in 4th at AoPS academy, and it was fine. He had to wait until 5th to take it in public school, but that was also fine, if a bit boring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP with the kid who was skipped ahead 2 years in FCPS. I can't imagine seeking a community college or regular college class for an ES aged kid to take high school math. The mismatch between the kid's ability and the CC class would be huge. On one hand, the class would mostly be remedial learners and wouldn't be rigorous enough for a highly gifted child. On the other, there's no way my kid at age 10 would have had the maturity or executive function to sit in a class aimed at adults.

If your kid is way beyond the offerings at public school, do AoPS. Or do RSM. They know how to handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways. My kid did Algebra I in 4th at AoPS academy, and it was fine. He had to wait until 5th to take it in public school, but that was also fine, if a bit boring.

Her kid is isn’t in class with others. He’s (or she’s) a 4th grader who is supposedly doing an asynchronous (and unnamed) class at an unnamed college, completely online with mom’s help and a tutor’s help (both 1:1), with no deadlines, open book and tests that aren’t proctored, and can take even 2 years to finish the class if need be. She can’t tell anyone the name of the school or class because she fears that people are stalking or have personality disorders. She can tell you it’s not NOVA, as her son turned that rejected that school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP with the kid who was skipped ahead 2 years in FCPS. I can't imagine seeking a community college or regular college class for an ES aged kid to take high school math. The mismatch between the kid's ability and the CC class would be huge. On one hand, the class would mostly be remedial learners and wouldn't be rigorous enough for a highly gifted child. On the other, there's no way my kid at age 10 would have had the maturity or executive function to sit in a class aimed at adults.

If your kid is way beyond the offerings at public school, do AoPS. Or do RSM. They know how to handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways. My kid did Algebra I in 4th at AoPS academy, and it was fine. He had to wait until 5th to take it in public school, but that was also fine, if a bit boring.

Her kid is isn’t in class with others. He’s (or she’s) a 4th grader who is supposedly doing an asynchronous (and unnamed) class at an unnamed college, completely online with mom’s help and a tutor’s help (both 1:1), with no deadlines, open book and tests that aren’t proctored, and can take even 2 years to finish the class if need be. She can’t tell anyone the name of the school or class because she fears that people are stalking or have personality disorders. She can tell you it’s not NOVA, as her son turned that rejected that school.

I understand that. Her kid's class either sounds sketchy or completely age inappropriate for an ES aged kid. It honestly sounds like the equivalent of having your kid go through Khan academy, but acting like it's a real class.

For OP though and other people with very advanced children, the best bet is to stick with programs that are geared toward gifted kids and know how to handle them in an age appropriate manner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking Algebra early is not the problem that many PPs are making it out to be. Most of the kids skipped ahead like this have no problem anywhere with any of the math. If they do have a problem, they have plenty of time to retake classes, which is a luxury that most other kids don't have. If they take calculus in 9th, then it's not a big problem to do AP Stats in 10, DE multivariable calc and linear algebra in 11th, and then just take a real college class at GMU in 12th.

Why though? What's the point?

What's the point of letting your gifted reader tackle Shakespeare at a young age? What's the point of letting your gifted musician play highly advanced pieces at a young age? You could just as easily hold them back and wait until they're at a more normal age. It's all the same: The kid is ready, has the aptitude, wants to push forward, and has goals that will be easier to meet by pushing forward. There is zero point in having a kid sit in a class where he already knows all of the content and will learn absolutely nothing. There is a point in trying to have that kid be challenged so they don't lose their love of math. There is a point in facilitating your child's ability to perform well in math contests if your child has that ambition. There is a point in freeing up some space in high school to either take AP Stats without having to burn an elective slot or to take higher level math/physics classes for the sheer joy of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking Algebra early is not the problem that many PPs are making it out to be. Most of the kids skipped ahead like this have no problem anywhere with any of the math. If they do have a problem, they have plenty of time to retake classes, which is a luxury that most other kids don't have. If they take calculus in 9th, then it's not a big problem to do AP Stats in 10, DE multivariable calc and linear algebra in 11th, and then just take a real college class at GMU in 12th.

Why though? What's the point?

What's the point of letting your gifted reader tackle Shakespeare at a young age? What's the point of letting your gifted musician play highly advanced pieces at a young age? You could just as easily hold them back and wait until they're at a more normal age. It's all the same: The kid is ready, has the aptitude, wants to push forward, and has goals that will be easier to meet by pushing forward. There is zero point in having a kid sit in a class where he already knows all of the content and will learn absolutely nothing. There is a point in trying to have that kid be challenged so they don't lose their love of math. There is a point in facilitating your child's ability to perform well in math contests if your child has that ambition. There is a point in freeing up some space in high school to either take AP Stats without having to burn an elective slot or to take higher level math/physics classes for the sheer joy of it.

One of mine was very advanced in math and was slightly (compared to others on this thread) moved ahead and now that that child is entering the end of HS, we kind of regret the decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP with the kid who was skipped ahead 2 years in FCPS. I can't imagine seeking a community college or regular college class for an ES aged kid to take high school math. The mismatch between the kid's ability and the CC class would be huge. On one hand, the class would mostly be remedial learners and wouldn't be rigorous enough for a highly gifted child. On the other, there's no way my kid at age 10 would have had the maturity or executive function to sit in a class aimed at adults.

If your kid is way beyond the offerings at public school, do AoPS. Or do RSM. They know how to handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways. My kid did Algebra I in 4th at AoPS academy, and it was fine. He had to wait until 5th to take it in public school, but that was also fine, if a bit boring.

I've sat through AOPS classes for the online version, not sure why you assume they require less executive function than a CC class. They are geared towards different goals, CC class is meant to get students ready for subsequent science classes, AOPS problems have more depth. Also, there's nothing wrong with self study from Khan Academy, I think their Algebra 1 content is in some ways better than AOPS.

How does AOPS 'handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways' that other online classes don't? What is specifically different for an CC Algebra class that makes it inappropriate for those students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP with the kid who was skipped ahead 2 years in FCPS. I can't imagine seeking a community college or regular college class for an ES aged kid to take high school math. The mismatch between the kid's ability and the CC class would be huge. On one hand, the class would mostly be remedial learners and wouldn't be rigorous enough for a highly gifted child. On the other, there's no way my kid at age 10 would have had the maturity or executive function to sit in a class aimed at adults.

If your kid is way beyond the offerings at public school, do AoPS. Or do RSM. They know how to handle highly gifted children in age appropriate ways. My kid did Algebra I in 4th at AoPS academy, and it was fine. He had to wait until 5th to take it in public school, but that was also fine, if a bit boring.

Her kid is isn’t in class with others. He’s (or she’s) a 4th grader who is supposedly doing an asynchronous (and unnamed) class at an unnamed college, completely online with mom’s help and a tutor’s help (both 1:1), with no deadlines, open book and tests that aren’t proctored, and can take even 2 years to finish the class if need be. She can’t tell anyone the name of the school or class because she fears that people are stalking or have personality disorders. She can tell you it’s not NOVA, as her son turned that rejected that school.

You are preoccupied to an unhealthy degree with the mathematics education of a 4th grader you've never met.

It would be more constructive to share your own experiences, rather than focus on proving other peoples experiences are faked.

[Anonymous]

I was speaking about the in person AoPS academy classes. Kids taking Algebra in 4th, 5th, or 6th are not duch a rarity that they don’t know how to handle them. I’m not sure that any online class is age appropriate for a 4th grader.