How much is Queen E to blame for Britain's colonism, really?

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Anonymous wrote:The Indian Subcontinent was leading the world in it’s GDP prior to British Colonization. More than 25% of the world’s GDP.

When the Brits were through looting, pillaging, enslaving, and genocide-ing it was 2%. They stole, in today’s value, upwards of 45 TRILLION. Money that the subcontinent is only now starting to climb back too.

Please use your Anglophile reasoning to exploit these numbers. I’m sure it makes you feel justified. Warm fuzzies for the Queen all around.

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Queen had nothing to do with this. Nothing. Nor did an royal. By the time this happened royals held no power. And your numbers just don’t make any sense. No India never had that much economic power.

Perhaps you should crack open a real history book not just the one the Queen sent out to all households under the taxpayers dime.

+100. The queen's ancestors caused the death of 4-10 million Indians. Some would call it a genocide but of course, history is written by the victors so we don't call it that.
She could have changed things by 1) giving all the stolen jewels back, 2) apologizing for all the atrocities 3) reparations.

Do you understand that the British forced Indians to grow crops/produce resources for British mainland use, to further their industrial revolution, while India was dealing with intense famines? Indians were barred from growing food for their own use, in their own country.

She was an old lady with no power and lots of money, and her death makes no difference in my life now at all. I'd appreciate it if the media outlets would stop covering this so much. But I would have appreciated her memory more if she had behaved as a compassionate human being, and at least freaking APOLOGIZED for her forefathers' actions.

Exactly, members of the royal family were in Indian running various parts of that plundering murderous operation. The information is available to you to read if you just look. Or you can continue to read the history sanitized by that family.

It's not ancestors as in ancient history. Mountbatten was her uncle and Philip's relative as well. He was the colonial governor of India until 1947 and responsible for Partition where millions died.

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European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

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Anonymous wrote:European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

I presume your definition of "Europe" Means Western Europe? How ignorant and telling. Many European countries never occupied another country nor were colonialist attempting countries

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Anonymous wrote:European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

I presume your definition of "Europe" Means Western Europe? How ignorant and telling. Many European countries never occupied another country nor were colonialist attempting countries

We are all descendants of subjugators and subjugation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a foolish liar. Anyone who preaches they are not is manipulating a narrow history for present gain.

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England is 86% whites.

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Elizabeth might be wealthy...she worked 30 years past retirement, and earned it.

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Honest question to the posters who think colonialism wasn’t a big deal, do you think the war in Ukraine is an atrocity and Russia’s fault?

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Anonymous wrote:European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

I presume your definition of "Europe" Means Western Europe? How ignorant and telling. Many European countries never occupied another country nor were colonialist attempting countries

We are all descendants of subjugators and subjugation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a foolish liar. Anyone who preaches they are not is manipulating a narrow history for present gain.

Yeah, I don't think so. My ancestor being a shitty husband while living under the Ottoman rule is much different than someone's great-grandpa killing thousands of Jews and being happy to kill or infect thousands of Native Americans. Western World is guilty of the worst atrocities ever committed, yet they bestowed upon themselves the self-given title of "civilized!"

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Anonymous wrote:Honest question to the posters who think colonialism wasn’t a big deal, do you think the war in Ukraine is an atrocity and Russia’s fault?

I agree with you and would love to hear some answers to your questions. But, wait... the West was liberating and bestowing civilized ways to ancient civilizations, don't you know??? Russia is just evil, like we are not evil; we are just into cheap shoes and gas... I mean into bringing democracy to the world!
What do all these people think the U.S. is now? A benevolent grandpa?

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Anonymous wrote:European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

That map is inaccurate. Foremost, Western countries deny that the Ottoman Empire was a colonial power because Western Europe academics define Colonialism, and the Ottoman Empire emerged in a very different way. Hence, the Western Academia and the Turks enforced the exclusion of the Ottoman Empire as a Colonial Empire. For, now they are victims, no? Not evil Imperialists. And if they were an Empire, the Western powers could not call the territories claimed by the Ottomans after their loss in WWI uncivilized and savages.
Further, Bosnia and Hercegovina became annexed by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It would be more accurate to show Croatia, Bosnia, and parts of Romania as being conquered by the Habsburg Empire; they were not independent entities like map states. That map is inaccurate, putting present-day countries on the map that most certainly did not exist in Colonial times.
Saying under European control is also inaccurate; I don't recall Bulgaria ever holding a colony anywhere. Nor Serbia, nor Romania, heck, nor Greece, nor Slovenia. So, do not put us in your conquerors of the world hat.

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Do some research on what went on in several African nations like Kenya during the Queen’s rule.

I’m so glad she is dead and hope the monarchy will fall!

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Anonymous wrote:Elizabeth might be wealthy...she worked 30 years past retirement, and earned it.

Her work ethic was impressive, but she had unlimited resources to help her. She had staff to handle every aspect of her life.

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Anonymous wrote:England was built on stolen money; that is not a joke. Drake's gold, right? Sir Francis Drake stole the Spanish gold which made the British fleet; he was told to do so by...Elizabeth I! From then on, they went on stealing and taking in whatever they could. Trillions of dollars in today's terms from India were stolen, and India's textile industry was destroyed so England could have a monopoly of the textile industry for a very long time. Denying after the Frist World War independence to the Middle East that governed itself under the Ottomans and had a fully functional governing apparatus with many Western-educated politicians and military leaders.
As for Elizabeth II, she traveled the world, reinforcing the Commonwealth and strengthening it. Faulkland islands happened while she was the Queen. Sure, you could argue that she had no say in it. She and her family get millions from Canada and probably from more countries. Do you live in a castle and have huge wealth BCS your ancestors pillaged the world? But, not you, you did not pilage the world, just your daddy did.
Do you know why Germans kids learn about the Holocaust? Not because they are to blame for it, but BCS she will be guilty if it happens again.

Yes, hand looms could not compete with steam powered looms. Grow up. No one "destroyed" their textile industry. So did Mexico, Honduras, China and Vietnam "destroy" the U.S. textile industry?

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Anonymous wrote:Few (if any) historical empires cared about the human rights of the countries / regions they invaded and conquered throughout history. Power and violence are themes throughout. I am not sure there were really any completely peaceful people.

Even in Indegenous groups - they attacked each other's tribes and took each other as slaves, plundered the camps, and did horrible things to people - before colonialism even arrived.

Some of the countries under the Commonwealth were British protectorates. Where Britain stepped in - not to colonize but to aid smaller countries in their defense against other attacking forces.

Roman, Ottoman, Persian, Mongol, Russian, Spanish, Han Empires etc - the British Empire is only one of many that has trampled on the rights of others. However that seems to be how history unfolded globally.

I wonder what countries have never lost to an invasion or attack or been colonized and are still Indigenous in population? Anyone know of any?

This. The entire world is built on the back of another civilization that was conquered. So all the performative outrage these days is kind of annoying after a awhile.

Exactly... when do we stop as we're tracing back to pay everyone reparations?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European colonialism conquered every country in the world but these five:

https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

"It took a couple of decades for the European colonialism to fully collapse; France was fighting for Algeria until 1962 and Portugal did not abandon its African colonies until 1974. So this map, of a European-dominated world, is not as distant as it may feel for many Americans."

I presume your definition of "Europe" Means Western Europe? How ignorant and telling. Many European countries never occupied another country nor were colonialist attempting countries

We are all descendants of subjugators and subjugation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a foolish liar. Anyone who preaches they are not is manipulating a narrow history for present gain.

Yeah, I don't think so. My ancestor being a shitty husband while living under the Ottoman rule is much different than someone's great-grandpa killing thousands of Jews and being happy to kill or infect thousands of Native Americans. Western World is guilty of the worst atrocities ever committed, yet they bestowed upon themselves the self-given title of "civilized!"

This PP is very ignorant of world history...