Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really surprised it’s that high. So many stupid people in this country.

+1. Stupid, uneducated, gullible….It’s tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter if it’s zero percent. Secular liberals will continue to live off the borrowed moral capital of centuries of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality.

It’s possible to have morality without religion. Further, there are numerous examples of atrocities committed based on religious beliefs.

THIS!!!! Besides robbing you of your ability to think critically and rationally, religion has also led to many atrocities. All religions.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

It’s not about courage. It’s about not wasting time on obsessive, hateful trolls. Bye!

Nah, it's about courage, or the lack thereof that you are demonstrating.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Instead of putting words into somebody else’s mouth, search up one of the old threads on exactly this topic. Like it was suggested you should do.

You people are crazy.

That's rich.

I did not put words in your mouth. If you don't like the answer given, I encourage you to give a better one.

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If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

+1. I’ve tended to stop coming to this forum because of all the rudeness and intolerance from the anti-religion crowd. The stat of 81% seems to have enraged them especially.

But, they’re not going to change their opinions. They’re not going to bother searching up earlier threads on a topic. They’re not going to become respectful or tolerant.

Best to ignore them.

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I don't think you last two posters are reading the same thread I am...

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Does this mean pp won't be back to the religion forum? Hope so!

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Does this mean pp won't be back to the religion forum? Hope so!

Why do you care what I do?

I will come to the religion forum when I feel I want to. You can too…anyone can. It’s not my business who posts here, nor do I wish to spend my time wondering what you will or will not do.

God is still present in the hearts and minds of 81% of Americans. Amen.

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Hopefully we can turn that frown upside down and get it to 18%! Maybe life would make more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/393737/belief-god-dips-new-low.aspx

This is logical to me, and I believe religion does far more harm than good, so I view this as a positive development.

What are your thoughts?

I don’t mind spirituality, I mind organized religion capable of oppressing large groups of people through backwards beliefs. I hope Roe being overturned increasingly pushes people away from organized religion.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Does this mean pp won't be back to the religion forum? Hope so!

Why do you care what I do?

I will come to the religion forum when I feel I want to. You can too…anyone can. It’s not my business who posts here, nor do I wish to spend my time wondering what you will or will not do.

God is still present in the hearts and minds of 81% of Americans. Amen.

Which God? One that wants to keep women subservient to men like in Roe? Basically, you should just say I want to force Christianity on people.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don’t believe in God, that’s fine. However, calling people ignorant or rude names and disparaging their intelligence for believing in God is wrong and intolerant.

How have Christians “shoved” their belief down your throat, pp? You never answered that question.

I would advise people to ignore the fairytale poster/s. They definitely are obsessed with religion (they post the same stuff constantly here) and don’t have a life outside of raging against religion.

The topic of this thread is the percentage of adults in America who believe in God has fallen to 81%. Ok, that’s what it is. I can say as a Christian that it could be 1%, and my faith in God will never shake or stop. Each person has their own opinion that is valid for them about many things in life, not just religion or God. I don’t see changing someone’s mind about those things and won’t have mine changed. And I won’t spend my life trying to change someone’s opinion or calling their opinions or beliefs wrong.

Christians clearly just shoved their beliefs down our throats through the work of the 6 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Please tell me you’re not that stupid. They just shoved their beliefs really quickly down our throats and want to keep doing so. They are erasing the state and church separation. Whether it’s paying for religious schools with tax payer money, this upcoming coach praying case or the most egregious example their Christian based ruling in Roe. It’s all Christianity. You know it. I know. Anyone who isn’t a complete fling dunce knows it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

Face palm. Thanks for quoting Bronze Age nonsense for us all.

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All that’s happened is that states are being allowed to choose their laws on abortion. That’s how it should be.