Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

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Very true.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Well put. I'd say, though, that there the difference in supernatural belief systems is that some are more socially acceptable and well-developed (e.g., with rituals, rules and holy books) than others.

For instance, some modern-day, educated adults believe in "God" and Jesus and will state it openly and with pride. Those same people would scoff at the idea of believing in Santa or any of the Greek or Roman gods. They are all supernatural, though and there is no evidence for any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

Yet some believers are eager to mock statements by non-believers.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

You know that that’s not true right? That there are many other religions that believe similar things?

But even if it were a fact that it is the only religion with that belief I’m not sure how that would make it different with regard to its truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

And the Greek Gods are the only Gods who breathed life into men from clay. And in Peter Pan, the toys came to life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

And the Greek Gods are the only Gods who breathed life into men from clay. And in Peter Pan, the toys came to life.

Christianity has millions of followers. Churches in every town and country. Compared to Greek gods and Peter Pan? It’s laughable. You can’t be serious?

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I’m really surprised it’s that high. So many stupid people in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Christianity is the only religion where God is born as a man, becomes fully human.

And the Greek Gods are the only Gods who breathed life into men from clay. And in Peter Pan, the toys came to life.

Christianity has millions of followers. Churches in every town and country. Compared to Greek gods and Peter Pan? It’s laughable. You can’t be serious?

You believe in fairytales. It always baffles me that Christians insist that THEIR fairytales are real.

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In my circle of friends, it has hovered at around 0% for the past two decades, but then again, what do we know: we are just overly educated “elites.”

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Anonymous wrote:In my circle of friends, it has hovered at around 0% for the past two decades, but then again, what do we know: we are just overly educated “elites.”

Love that you call yourself “elite.” I’m one too, and I’m religious.

You’re in a bubble is what you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

It’s not about courage. It’s about not wasting time on obsessive, hateful trolls. Bye!

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Anonymous wrote:I think religious people still aren't used to being criticized the way non-religious people have been for so long.

They tend to get very offended when people openly acknowledge their lack of god belief.

That is changing, however, as it happens more frequently because fewer people are hiding their irreligion. Sort of like what happened with gay people a few years back and what's happening with trans-gendered people now.

No, it’s some atheists’ antagonistic “fight me” attitude, as exemplified by this thread with immature snark and dumber gifs, that annoys people of faith. Most of us are very happy to talk about religion with our thoughtful atheist friends.

Some atheists have this "fight me" attitude that's also found among religious people, where it's seen as something positive, called "defending the faith."

Can you provide an example, real or imagined, of a “fight me” statement by an atheist?

"I don't believe in God" or any disavowal of beliefs that religious people have is seen by some religious people as fighting words. Other religious people just don't care or feel sorry for people who don't believe in god.

Is that really fair to describe as "fight me"? Just saying you don't believe, or asking people why they believe as they do?

If only DCUM’s atheists “just said they don’t believe.” Instead, as this thread testifies daily, we get middle school taunts about fairies and dumb jpgs we’ve all seen a million times (because you guys keep posting the same lame cr@p as if it’s something new). Are some of you 12?

And, way to try to make this thread all about yourself. Yet again.

Hey, I am a different poster, and you are rude to assume otherwise. I think if you do better you'll get better back. I am asking respectfully. Also, I have never posted a meme. I've seen both sides post them, and I ignore them. It's easy, the eye scrolls right past them.

I ask you again: Is it fair to describe saying you don't believe, or have not seen evidence to believe, or asking people why they believe as they do, as "fight me"?

No, it’s not fair, and in fact I have atheist friends. But as you know, that’s not what’s happening on this thread. There are at least one, probably two, “fight me” atheists with dumb snark and memes.

OK, so "fight me" is limited to memes. So let's call them "fight me memers" and not atheists. I think that is a small percentage of the activity here. And as stated, there are many examples of both sides posting them. It's a disease on the internet, and best to ignore it and advance the discussion.

No, “fight me” is most definitely not limited to memes, as you know if you’ve read this thread. Just on this thread we have atheists making up citation-free “facts” and posting things like “ Correct -- we can believe in fairies and goblins and all sort of imaginary beings.” Also, the pro-believer meme you cite as “both sides” was posted with something like “do really want to go here?” to respond to multiple memes from atheists.

This is such a weird exchange. Just read the thread.

I asked what was fight me and someone, (you?) mentioned memes.

As for "fairies" etc., you will just have to accept that to many people there is no difference between belief in ANY god and belief in fairies. It's a reasonable position and the fact that you take offense does not make it patently offensive.

In fact, comparisons like that, which take religious belief out of the cultural heritage and remove the baggage of pre-supposition, are useful and probably necessary analogies.

If you can't explain why your belief in your god, (no idea which one you espouse) is no better than a belief in fairies then that is an important thing to note.

If you don’t see a difference between scripture, miracles, theology, and all other the facets of varios religious traditions vs. fairies in the garden, then you’re culturally ignorant or just trolling and insulting people. Bye, troll.

I don't see a difference, no. What I see is the same lack of evidence for anything supernatural.

And yes, I have friends who believe in fairies, (non-denominational) angels, auras, chakras and all other kinds of stuff that have long cultural histories and traditions. The fact that you see comparisons to your beliefs as "insulting" indicates your bias. Very simple question:

Please explain to me why yours is different.

Still waiting for an answer to this one.

Just ad hominem after ad hominem... how about a reasonable answer to this?

Looks like nobody’s interested in engaging with a troll—this subject has been discussed endlessly on DCUM, instead of asking people to repeat themselves so you can mock them, just search up one of these old threads.

So you have plenty of name calling, ad hominem, and other non-productive posts, but when you are asked a question politely, you can't answer so you just yell "troll!" like it is some get out of jail free card?

I'll answer for you, since you lack the courage to tell the truth:

- There is no difference in supernatural belief systems.
- There is no more evidence for one than any other.
- Therefore it is illogical and irrational for you to take offense to one belief being compared to any other.
- This includes belief in ghosts, spirits, pixies, chakras, sky gods, Xenu, Thor, Zeus, or yes, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are entitled to your beliefs, humanistically and constitutionally, but when you take offense at a comparison, you are 100% guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Instead of putting words into somebody else’s mouth, search up one of the old threads on exactly this topic. Like it was suggested you should do.

You people are crazy.