Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

And not by proselytizing obnoxiously for religion - anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

Religious troll only attracts attention of atheists. Actual religiously devout people want no part of them. They are an embarrassment.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

No, you didn't admit to trolling; you just falsely accused others of it. GOTCHA

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

No, you didn't admit to trolling; you just falsely accused others of it. GOTCHA

I did not accuse anyone of trolling. I flat out called you a liar, as you lied about my post. Not a troll. A liar.

I will admit this, you have certainly been successful in turning this discussion from the main topic, which is that religious belief in America is plummeting, and this is a good thing.

To put it back on track:

- Belief in God in U.S. Dips to 81%, a New Low
- Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes".
- Belief is down in all measured categories, and has the percentage of disbelievers has doubled overall in a decade.

Amen to that.

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Wow, still so high. I wouldn't have guessed it.

The scariest stat for me is 42% believes that god intervenes, which goes up to a whopping 72% for weekly churchgoers.

I was baptized, but didn't really believe then. My mom has since left the church, since her religious family has no tolerance.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

DP. You were straight-up trolling.

You lie: you didn’t ask a question. You posted this stupidity: “Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.”

And then when people pushed back on the obvious stupidity, you called them names. You’re a troll playing obvious gotcha games.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

DP. You were straight-up trolling.

You lie: you didn’t ask a question. You posted this stupidity: “Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.”

And then when people pushed back on the obvious stupidity, you called them names. You’re a troll playing obvious gotcha games.

Sorry man, but I am the PP you replied to and did not post any of that. I realize it is confusing on an anonymous forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, still so high. I wouldn't have guessed it.

The scariest stat for me is 42% believes that god intervenes, which goes up to a whopping 72% for weekly churchgoers.

I was baptized, but didn't really believe then. My mom has since left the church, since her religious family has no tolerance.

Seriously, you have to have gelatin for brains if you believe this. I really enjoy life, but you have to objectively recognized that if this world and the people in it were designed then the designer is a real idiot. I mean, he could have made a world where the morning air smells like cotton candy (or whatever everyone's favorite smell is), he could have made our skulls out of titanium or given us a backup system for our heart. Just even the fact that we have to eat and poop is probably the dumbest "design" anyone has ever heard of. Now say he intervenes. In what? The school shootings? The destruction of nature? Kids dying of cancer? I'm not sure his interventions could get any less useful. No no, I remember now, he intervened in Dolores' job interview for her new secretary position at ABC company. Yep, that's the ticket. Intervention in all the important stuff. You go Dolores

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, still so high. I wouldn't have guessed it.

The scariest stat for me is 42% believes that god intervenes, which goes up to a whopping 72% for weekly churchgoers.

I was baptized, but didn't really believe then. My mom has since left the church, since her religious family has no tolerance.

Seriously, you have to have gelatin for brains if you believe this. I really enjoy life, but you have to objectively recognized that if this world and the people in it were designed then the designer is a real idiot. I mean, he could have made a world where the morning air smells like cotton candy (or whatever everyone's favorite smell is), he could have made our skulls out of titanium or given us a backup system for our heart. Just even the fact that we have to eat and poop is probably the dumbest "design" anyone has ever heard of. Now say he intervenes. In what? The school shootings? The destruction of nature? Kids dying of cancer? I'm not sure his interventions could get any less useful. No no, I remember now, he intervened in Dolores' job interview for her new secretary position at ABC company. Yep, that's the ticket. Intervention in all the important stuff. You go Dolores

Statements like this can really make religious people angry. They can also help people wake up and see that religion doesn't make much sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe 81 is correct. That seems incredibly high to me.

people are reluctant to tell a pollster they don't really believe in God.
Most respondents have very weak views on this subject anyway, but most will just say "yes" even if they don't really care one way or the other.

The poll is obviously over broad and misleading. Lots of people believe there is a god-like creative force at work in the universe; they just don't believe in the humans who claim to have a direction connection to it and know all the special "rules."

The details of this are actually in the article.

Only 42% believe in a god that "Hears prayers and intervenes". Another 28% believe in one that "% Hears prayers only" (not sure what the point of that is.

The most important data shows that belief is down in all measured categories, and has doubled overall in a decade.

Someone to talk to, I guess, who is always available. Sometimes it helps just to get something off your chest.

Wow... wow wow wow... not sure how to process that. Is that really "belief" then?

If you think someone is listening, then It's a belief. But maybe not a religious belief - just a hope

If you think flogging your atheism on every single thread will convert anybody to atheism, it’s just a hope, a doomed hope, because it backfires. You just don’t get how people process your atheist proselytizing, even when you leave out the snark. Let people come to their own conclusions.

Lol... you remain so funny, and so blind to the irony of your posts.

Please keep posting like this, you are the best advocate for non-belief that I can imagine.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many reasons not to believe. But believer pp certainly shows that belief in God doesn't make a person a credible example of the goodess of religion.

Love the gotcha posts—you insult religion and then attack people for pointing that out. If you think nobody sees you, or that they think you’re older than 12, or that this persuades anybody to be atheist, you’re delusional.

No, I am attacking people for their hypocrisy, where pointing out the flaws in supernatural belief is "preaching" but expressing belief in them is completely acceptable self-expression.

I don't like the phrase "gotcha", but if that is how you use it, then yes, I gotcha.

Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.

DP from the other pp who is pushing back in the childish gotcha games—and yes, you’re playing gotcha games.

We all know that merely “expressing your views” isn’t what you’re doing here. You insult people and play little gotcha games.

PP is right. You catch more flies with honey. Not by proselytizing obnoxiously for atheism on a mom’s website.

OK fine, as I stated in the very post you are replying to: I am playing "gotcha games" and I, in fact, "gotcha". Still unsure why your motive for posting is OK and mine is "insulting", but don't feel like arguing my motive with you. So you are granted that point by forfeit (+1 to you!), and we need not discuss it any more.

Now, back to the topic of this forum: Got anything of substance to reply with?

Atheist troll admits to trolling. After being called out for derailing the thread, atheist troll demands others post substance.

No I did not admit to trolling, you liar. I admit it I asked you a “gotcha” Question which you could not answer.

Since you offer no substantive response, I can only assume that means you don’t have one.

DP. You were straight-up trolling.

You lie: you didn’t ask a question. You posted this stupidity: “Religious pp hates losing their preferred place in society where they get to criticize atheists but atheists don't dare to express their views. They miss the old days when religious people were completely in charge and atheists were portrayed as evil people.”

And then when people pushed back on the obvious stupidity, you called them names. You’re a troll playing obvious gotcha games.

Sorry man, but I am the PP you replied to and did not post any of that. I realize it is confusing on an anonymous forum.

Don't worry and don't take it personally -- religious pp loves to be angry - doesn't matter to them who said what.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, still so high. I wouldn't have guessed it.

The scariest stat for me is 42% believes that god intervenes, which goes up to a whopping 72% for weekly churchgoers.

I was baptized, but didn't really believe then. My mom has since left the church, since her religious family has no tolerance.

Seriously, you have to have gelatin for brains if you believe this. I really enjoy life, but you have to objectively recognized that if this world and the people in it were designed then the designer is a real idiot. I mean, he could have made a world where the morning air smells like cotton candy (or whatever everyone's favorite smell is), he could have made our skulls out of titanium or given us a backup system for our heart. Just even the fact that we have to eat and poop is probably the dumbest "design" anyone has ever heard of. Now say he intervenes. In what? The school shootings? The destruction of nature? Kids dying of cancer? I'm not sure his interventions could get any less useful. No no, I remember now, he intervened in Dolores' job interview for her new secretary position at ABC company. Yep, that's the ticket. Intervention in all the important stuff. You go Dolores

Statements like this can really make religious people angry. They can also help people wake up and see that religion doesn't make much sense.

It doesn't make any sense. Religious people are either not very intelligent, need to believe in an afterlife or rely on it to justify their intolerances.

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81% of Americans are superstitious? Fabulous.