Is Christian nationalism to blame for mass shootings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Christian nationalism is the belief that America is basically a promised land for Christianity. It is a belief that America is exceptional and not to be criticized. It is a belief that the founding fathers are somehow above reproach. This means that when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, the authors were incredible human beings that shouldn't be questioned - therefore the Second Amendment is absolute. Because we can't question the Second Amendment, guns are readily available. Because guns are readily available, angry men can easily create chaos and tragedy. This type of belief does not lend itself to critical thinking. When you wrap up religion with nationalism you no longer are capable of logically thinking about issues like sensible gun laws - because your identity is now being threatened.

Of course, the US was founded as a secular, not Christian nation; a fact lost on these morons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

As a black person, this sounds racist. Imagine if you generalized about a group of black men (literally just replace the word white with black). It wouldn’t sound good. This doesn’t need to be about race as well — Virginia tech was an Asian guy, and Boston bombing were middle eastern guys. I’m sure you can find other examples.

Not a race problem, it’s a Man problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Progressives hate Christians; they think shootings in Chicago and Baltimore are just fine.

Progressives hate Christians who push lies and racist tropes.

They love gun control though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, the GOP does run on Jesus, guns, and babies.

Sometimes literally:

I think I hear Jesus in a Texan bathroom puking and sobbing about how his message of unconditional love and service has been hijacked by violent circus 🤡 freaks selling NRA snake oil in his name …

Some of them are now blaming gun violence on abortion. Smacking head on the holy altar ….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Progressives hate Christians; they think shootings in Chicago and Baltimore are just fine.

Progressives hate Christians who push lies and racist tropes.

They love gun control though.

They profess to hate guns (they don’t) but they do love control.

It’s clear we need to address two things at once: addressing anger issues / mental illness that leads people to becoming perpetrators AND getting those guns out of the hands of people who use them in these and other crimes. In this or another thread someone suggested requiring owners to carry insurance akin to car insurance may be worth considering. Also maybe some sort of licensing, perhaps varying by type of weapon?


Re: the weapons themselves — the rifles look bigger and scarier, but there are handguns that can pop off many rounds quickly and do as much damage in a relatively close range like in the confines of a school. Many weapons (guns) are already outlawed. It comes down to definitions of what is or isn’t a ___ weapon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Progressives hate Christians; they think shootings in Chicago and Baltimore are just fine.

Progressives hate Christians who push lies and racist tropes.

They love gun control though.

They profess to hate guns (they don’t) but they do love control.

It’s clear we need to address two things at once: addressing anger issues / mental illness that leads people to becoming perpetrators AND getting those guns out of the hands of people who use them in these and other crimes. In this or another thread someone suggested requiring owners to carry insurance akin to car insurance may be worth considering. Also maybe some sort of licensing, perhaps varying by type of weapon?

Re: the weapons themselves — the rifles look bigger and scarier, but there are handguns that can pop off many rounds quickly and do as much damage in a relatively close range like in the confines of a school. Many weapons (guns) are already outlawed. It comes down to definitions of what is or isn’t a ___ weapon.

To cut down on gun violence in Chicago and Baltimore we need to let the LEOs do their job.

This is what they say they need:
- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian nationalism is the belief that America is basically a promised land for Christianity. It is a belief that America is exceptional and not to be criticized. It is a belief that the founding fathers are somehow above reproach. This means that when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, the authors were incredible human beings that shouldn't be questioned - therefore the Second Amendment is absolute. Because we can't question the Second Amendment, guns are readily available. Because guns are readily available, angry men can easily create chaos and tragedy. This type of belief does not lend itself to critical thinking. When you wrap up religion with nationalism you no longer are capable of logically thinking about issues like sensible gun laws - because your identity is now being threatened.

Of course, the US was founded as a secular, not Christian nation; a fact lost on these morons.

Not quite true - not so much secular as religiously independent - the Pilgrims had experienced religious persecution in merry old England and wanted citizens of their adopted homeland to enjoy religious freedom to practice whatever belief they chose. One nation under God and all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

Undereducated because they can’t afford school.
Maybe if the progressives and liberals didn’t dismiss them when they asked decades ago to address the discrimination towards poor whites in regards to education, we wouldn’t have this issue. But here we are, reaping what we have sown. You either see them as humans or they will continue to check out of society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian nationalism is the belief that America is basically a promised land for Christianity. It is a belief that America is exceptional and not to be criticized. It is a belief that the founding fathers are somehow above reproach. This means that when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, the authors were incredible human beings that shouldn't be questioned - therefore the Second Amendment is absolute. Because we can't question the Second Amendment, guns are readily available. Because guns are readily available, angry men can easily create chaos and tragedy. This type of belief does not lend itself to critical thinking. When you wrap up religion with nationalism you no longer are capable of logically thinking about issues like sensible gun laws - because your identity is now being threatened.

Of course, the US was founded as a secular, not Christian nation; a fact lost on these morons.

Not quite true - not so much secular as religiously independent - the Pilgrims had experienced religious persecution in merry old England and wanted citizens of their adopted homeland to enjoy religious freedom to practice whatever belief they chose. One nation under God and all that.

God could be the Jewish god, the Muslim god or the pagan gods.

It was not a Christian god.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

Undereducated because they can’t afford school.
Maybe if the progressives and liberals didn’t dismiss them when they asked decades ago to address the discrimination towards poor whites in regards to education, we wouldn’t have this issue. But here we are, reaping what we have sown. You either see them as humans or they will continue to check out of society.

This is like blaming the rapist. She was looking hot and made me do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

Undereducated because they can’t afford school.
Maybe if the progressives and liberals didn’t dismiss them when they asked decades ago to address the discrimination towards poor whites in regards to education, we wouldn’t have this issue. But here we are, reaping what we have sown. You either see them as humans or they will continue to check out of society.

This is like blaming the rapist. She was looking hot and made me do it.

I usually tend to blame the rapist for rape. Who do you blame?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

Undereducated because they can’t afford school.
Maybe if the progressives and liberals didn’t dismiss them when they asked decades ago to address the discrimination towards poor whites in regards to education, we wouldn’t have this issue. But here we are, reaping what we have sown. You either see them as humans or they will continue to check out of society.

BS.

We’ve had financial aid for decades. Grants, loans, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Christian nationalism and mass shootings are a correlation issue and not a causation issue. Under educated white men who haven’t done much with their lives and want to blame something or someone besides themselves. Add a dash of mental illness and right wing peopaganda and two results are violence and Christian nationalism.

Undereducated because they can’t afford school.
Maybe if the progressives and liberals didn’t dismiss them when they asked decades ago to address the discrimination towards poor whites in regards to education, we wouldn’t have this issue. But here we are, reaping what we have sown. You either see them as humans or they will continue to check out of society.

This is like blaming the rapist. She was looking hot and made me do it.

I usually tend to blame the rapist for rape. Who do you blame?

Clearly if we castrated all males at birth, there’d be no rape. I blame the “tool” and not the rapist wielding it. The rapist is just poor, undereducated, probably with oppressed ancestors that is tired of others with more privilege so he has an excuse to rape. But, to keep him from raping we should remove all tallywackers from all males. It’s only fair …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian nationalism is the belief that America is basically a promised land for Christianity. It is a belief that America is exceptional and not to be criticized. It is a belief that the founding fathers are somehow above reproach. This means that when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, the authors were incredible human beings that shouldn't be questioned - therefore the Second Amendment is absolute. Because we can't question the Second Amendment, guns are readily available. Because guns are readily available, angry men can easily create chaos and tragedy. This type of belief does not lend itself to critical thinking. When you wrap up religion with nationalism you no longer are capable of logically thinking about issues like sensible gun laws - because your identity is now being threatened.

Of course, the US was founded as a secular, not Christian nation; a fact lost on these morons.

Not quite true - not so much secular as religiously independent - the Pilgrims had experienced religious persecution in merry old England and wanted citizens of their adopted homeland to enjoy religious freedom to practice whatever belief they chose. One nation under God and all that.

The Pilgrims landed in Plymouth in 1620. That's 156 years before the Declaration of Independence. For us, that would be like comparing 2022 to 1866. The idea that the U.S. doesn't have a national religion would have been firmly entrenched if you look at the writings of some of the founding fathers. Yes, others were more religious, but if they insisted on a national religion, they wouldn't have gotten the buy-in from everyone.

I remember first hearing a sermon implying that God was referring to the U.S. as well as Israel in some of the national promises made in the Old Testament. That God had a covenant with the U.S. I read my Bible. I know that is not true. It's not Biblical, and I'm not falling for it.

I assume it's the same thing that happened after Constantine converted to Christianity. Some people probably saw Christianity as a lever they could use to manipulate political power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Christian nationalism is the belief that America is basically a promised land for Christianity. It is a belief that America is exceptional and not to be criticized. It is a belief that the founding fathers are somehow above reproach. This means that when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, the authors were incredible human beings that shouldn't be questioned - therefore the Second Amendment is absolute. Because we can't question the Second Amendment, guns are readily available. Because guns are readily available, angry men can easily create chaos and tragedy. This type of belief does not lend itself to critical thinking. When you wrap up religion with nationalism you no longer are capable of logically thinking about issues like sensible gun laws - because your identity is now being threatened.

Of course, the US was founded as a secular, not Christian nation; a fact lost on these morons.

Not quite true - not so much secular as religiously independent - the Pilgrims had experienced religious persecution in merry old England and wanted citizens of their adopted homeland to enjoy religious freedom to practice whatever belief they chose. One nation under God and all that.

The Pilgrims landed in Plymouth in 1620. That's 156 years before the Declaration of Independence. For us, that would be like comparing 2022 to 1866. The idea that the U.S. doesn't have a national religion would have been firmly entrenched if you look at the writings of some of the founding fathers. Yes, others were more religious, but if they insisted on a national religion, they wouldn't have gotten the buy-in from everyone.

I remember first hearing a sermon implying that God was referring to the U.S. as well as Israel in some of the national promises made in the Old Testament. That God had a covenant with the U.S. I read my Bible. I know that is not true. It's not Biblical, and I'm not falling for it.

I assume it's the same thing that happened after Constantine converted to Christianity. Some people probably saw Christianity as a lever they could use to manipulate political power.

We didn't have an established national church because various states had their own established churches, some of which stayed established until the 1840s.

There was no separation of church and the states before the 14th amendment.