Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

[Anonymous]

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Heard’s female attorney was so so so bad at cross examination today of Depp’s friend. She scored zero points, couldn’t control the witness and I think alienated the jury with innane questions. She broke every rule of cross. I’m not sure how important this friend’s testimony will ultimately be, but it was crying-worthy to watch.
Can you explain for the non-lawyers?

Sure-the point of cross is to frame your leading questions in such a way that you are boxing them in their testimony. Ask them yes or no questions on the most important points, that way you control the witness. don’t ask them open-ended questions that gives them the opportunity to just repeat the damaging narrative they already testified to and never ever ask them a question you don’t know the answer to. And, if you land a good punch, stop asking on that issue. This attorney violated all those rules which resulted in this witness being able to ramble on a narrative and she could not stop him from talking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Heard’s female attorney was so so so bad at cross examination today of Depp’s friend. She scored zero points, couldn’t control the witness and I think alienated the jury with innane questions. She broke every rule of cross. I’m not sure how important this friend’s testimony will ultimately be, but it was crying-worthy to watch.
Can you explain for the non-lawyers?

Sure-the point of cross is to frame your leading questions in such a way that you are boxing them in their testimony. Ask them yes or no questions on the most important points, that way you control the witness. don’t ask them open-ended questions that gives them the opportunity to just repeat the damaging narrative they already testified to and never ever ask them a question you don’t know the answer to. And, if you land a good punch, stop asking on that issue. This attorney violated all those rules which resulted in this witness being able to ramble on a narrative and she could not stop him from talking.

Thanks for the update. You’d think after all these years to prepare, the lawyer would have all that down pat. Esp only asking yes/no questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

Good Lord, this thread is Exhibit A of why women who are physically and emotionally abused by their partners don’t come forward. There doesn’t have to be a “past history”. Plenty of abusers escalate abuse over time and the first time they physically abuse someone is just as damaging as the 100th. How do you think domestic violence is perpetuated?!! Do you think would-be abusive boyfriends and husbands wear signs that say, “I’ve done this before.” Good for previous girlfriends and wives if they were spared, though Johnny Depp has a LONG history of unstable relationships, Moss and Ryder included.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

Good Lord, this thread is Exhibit A of why women who are physically and emotionally abused by their partners don’t come forward. There doesn’t have to be a “past history”. Plenty of abusers escalate abuse over time and the first time they physically abuse someone is just as damaging as the 100th. How do you think domestic violence is perpetuated?!! Do you think would-be abusive boyfriends and husbands wear signs that say, “I’ve done this before.” Good for previous girlfriends and wives if they were spared, though Johnny Depp has a LONG history of unstable relationships, Moss and Ryder included.

Given how easily you fly off the handle, I guess it’s easy for you to recognize others with rage problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

The reality of domestic violence is a lot of people respond to DV by hitting back. You're not always going to have "perfect" victims who never retaliated. That doesn’t mean DV is okay.

But again this is a crappy case. Even it there was some mutual behavior in the domestic violence, Heard just referred to herself as being associated with domestic violence. Depp's burden here is quite difficult and I just don't see him clearing the bar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

The reality of domestic violence is a lot of people respond to DV by hitting back. You're not always going to have "perfect" victims who never retaliated. That doesn’t mean DV is okay.

But again this is a crappy case. Even it there was some mutual behavior in the domestic violence, Heard just referred to herself as being associated with domestic violence. Depp's burden here is quite difficult and I just don't see him clearing the bar.

Isn’t the case only in VA because the bar is lower? The article on page 1 lays it out that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

The reality of domestic violence is a lot of people respond to DV by hitting back. You're not always going to have "perfect" victims who never retaliated. That doesn’t mean DV is okay.

But again this is a crappy case. Even it there was some mutual behavior in the domestic violence, Heard just referred to herself as being associated with domestic violence. Depp's burden here is quite difficult and I just don't see him clearing the bar.

Isn’t the case only in VA because the bar is lower? The article on page 1 lays it out that way.

I think at the time he filed VA had some weaker anti-SLAPP laws, which lawmakers have since tightened (such laws are intended to prevent basically, lawsuits that run into First Amendment laws). This was in part to some big media cases (I think including this one).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

The reality of domestic violence is a lot of people respond to DV by hitting back. You're not always going to have "perfect" victims who never retaliated. That doesn’t mean DV is okay.

But again this is a crappy case. Even it there was some mutual behavior in the domestic violence, Heard just referred to herself as being associated with domestic violence. Depp's burden here is quite difficult and I just don't see him clearing the bar.

Isn’t the case only in VA because the bar is lower? The article on page 1 lays it out that way.

I think at the time he filed VA had some weaker anti-SLAPP laws, which lawmakers have since tightened (such laws are intended to prevent basically, lawsuits that run into First Amendment laws). This was in part to some big media cases (I think including this one).

Is he subject to the new law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

True, but the same holds true on the other side. Just because he wasn't physically abusive to other partners, doesn't mean he wasn't physically abusive to this one. Some parents can raise three healthy and happy kids and kill one by never letting them out of a closet. Abuse is weird like that.

Personally, I think that they were both so toxic that he probably did abuse her, but she also partook and provoked and abused him in a way others might not have. No one comes out great here.

The reality of domestic violence is a lot of people respond to DV by hitting back. You're not always going to have "perfect" victims who never retaliated. That doesn’t mean DV is okay.

But again this is a crappy case. Even it there was some mutual behavior in the domestic violence, Heard just referred to herself as being associated with domestic violence. Depp's burden here is quite difficult and I just don't see him clearing the bar.[/quote]

ITA. His texts about hoping that her body will decompose in the trunk of a car were horrible. He's definitely an abuser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She's so beautiful.

Yes, wish she has better taste in men.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere, Vanessa Paradis is laughing. He seemed much more grounded when they were together. Amber is just a bad person.

And Winona Ryder weeps. I think the two of them should have stayed together.

He was no less volatile. He’s just getting old and careless about it. And all of you who are taking the absence of evidence of him being abusive as proof he isn’t: people just did not talk about domestic abuse in the 1990s, certainly not famous people.

I have never heard anything that would lead me to believe he was abusive towards Winona Ryder. Didn't she say the exact opposite?

I'm just sayin', they should have stayed together.

I don't remember if it was Winona or Kate Moss, but in the 1990s there was at least one incident where he had an incident with one of them that was so bad the authorities were called and when they arrived, he had completely destroyed the hotel room. Glass everywhere, furniture broken and thrown across the room, etc. So I think he does have long-time rage issues at the very least.

Pretty sure even he admit that. Doesn’t mean he ever was physically abusive toward his partners.

Good Lord, this thread is Exhibit A of why women who are physically and emotionally abused by their partners don’t come forward. There doesn’t have to be a “past history”. Plenty of abusers escalate abuse over time and the first time they physically abuse someone is just as damaging as the 100th. How do you think domestic violence is perpetuated?!! Do you think would-be abusive boyfriends and husbands wear signs that say, “I’ve done this before.” Good for previous girlfriends and wives if they were spared, though Johnny Depp has a LONG history of unstable relationships, Moss and Ryder included.

Given how easily you fly off the handle, I guess it’s easy for you to recognize others with rage problems.

Deflection is an abuser’s tool. This touched a nerve for you didn’t it?

[Anonymous]

Gosh he looks old. Sigh. This is so much money wasted and the only winners are the attorneys. He really needs help. Both are toxic messes and examples of hollyweird while the world burns.