Women's Sports and Lia Thomas thread

[Anonymous]

There are differences and it is unfair to women to ignore those differences, sex is still a protected class... This thread can't be appropriately discussed because if you have a difference of opinion you're automatically labeled transphobic or hateful or in my circles even worse .....Republican..
When we are just pro-reality

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

I am the PP who posted about my discomfort with a lot of the language used. “Sports aren’t about trophies” is exactly the sort of gaslighting language I am talking about.

I flat out don’t believe the PP was actually a D1 athlete, but putting that aside, when sports are used as a mechanism for access to education, especially for underprivileged women, it is totally disingenuous to dismiss questions about access to education with nonsense platitudes like that.

But I think PP is just one of the trolls trying to to shut down reasonable discussion, so is deliberately being nonsensical and provocative.

Agree. At higher levels sorts are 100% about trophies/winning.
Try telling an Olympic gold medalist that their win isn’t important.

[Anonymous]

This is a backdoor method of killing title ix and women's sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Ok, but you had to be good enough to get on that team. Remove single gender sports and women would be hard pressed to make any team. That's why title IX exists.

So then push for increasing opportunities and equity. That will help significantly more women (including women of color) than excluding a handful of transgender athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

I am the PP who posted about my discomfort with a lot of the language used. “Sports aren’t about trophies” is exactly the sort of gaslighting language I am talking about.

I flat out don’t believe the PP was actually a D1 athlete, but putting that aside, when sports are used as a mechanism for access to education, especially for underprivileged women, it is totally disingenuous to dismiss questions about access to education with nonsense platitudes like that.

But I think PP is just one of the trolls trying to to shut down reasonable discussion, so is deliberately being nonsensical and provocative.

Agree. At higher levels sorts are 100% about trophies/winning.
Try telling an Olympic gold medalist that their win isn’t important.

You think the thousands of athletes who didn’t win a gold were wasting their time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Except for those under-resourced women looking for a way “out.”

My mother was a poor Puerto Rican woman from the Bronx who kicked ASS at track. She got a full ride to Grinnell, which led to a full ride to GW for grad school, and she was able to break the cycle of poverty based on her athletic ability [i]in competition against biological females[\i]. Had it not been for her athletic ability, she likely would have ended up staying in the Bronx barrio where she grew up.

One of my employees was born to Mexican immigrants. Her mother, a victim of domestic violence, fled the family home with her four children and was homeless. My friend had extraordinary talent at basketball and got a scholarship to a prestigious private school, which led to a scholarship to university. This would not have been possible if she’d been outplayed by someone with the biological advantage of being born and having gone through puberty as a male.

I know it doesn’t matter TO YOU, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter - or make a tremendous difference - to anyone else. Get out of your privileged bubble for a minute.

Pro-women groups are pushing for more access. More funding for women’s sports.

That will actually help more women from disadvantaged backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Except for those under-resourced women looking for a way “out.”

My mother was a poor Puerto Rican woman from the Bronx who kicked ASS at track. She got a full ride to Grinnell, which led to a full ride to GW for grad school, and she was able to break the cycle of poverty based on her athletic ability in competition against biological females. Had it not been for her athletic ability, she likely would have ended up staying in the Bronx barrio where she grew up.

One of my employees was born to Mexican immigrants. Her mother, a victim of domestic violence, fled the family home with her four children and was homeless. My friend had extraordinary talent at basketball and got a scholarship to a prestigious private school, which led to a scholarship to university. This would not have been possible if she’d been outplayed by someone with the biological advantage of being born and having gone through puberty as a male.

I know it doesn’t matter TO YOU, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter - or make a tremendous difference - to anyone else. Get out of your privileged bubble for a minute.

Pro-women groups are pushing for more access. More funding for women’s sports.

That will actually help more women from disadvantaged backgrounds.

DP. Sure. Let’s all hope they succeed. But until then, what result? How many of the limited existing opportunities for elite women athletes should go to transwomen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

I am the PP who posted about my discomfort with a lot of the language used. “Sports aren’t about trophies” is exactly the sort of gaslighting language I am talking about.

I flat out don’t believe the PP was actually a D1 athlete, but putting that aside, when sports are used as a mechanism for access to education, especially for underprivileged women, it is totally disingenuous to dismiss questions about access to education with nonsense platitudes like that.

But I think PP is just one of the trolls trying to to shut down reasonable discussion, so is deliberately being nonsensical and provocative.

Agree. At higher levels sorts are 100% about trophies/winning.
Try telling an Olympic gold medalist that their win isn’t important.

You think the thousands of athletes who didn’t win a gold were wasting their time?

Of course not. But they’re TRYING to win it, which is the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

Correct. But they absolutely have biological advantages that the females don’t. Why does everyone keep ignoring this?

Not universally.

Not every swimmer is double-jointed like Phelps. Or has the same wingspan. Or produces such little lactic acid.

Why are some physical variations ok - even celebrated - and others are not?


np Because Michael Phelps is an anomoly. Meaning 99.9 males who have gone through puberty and who have trained in said sport will be better than 99.9 females.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Except for those under-resourced women looking for a way “out.”

My mother was a poor Puerto Rican woman from the Bronx who kicked ASS at track. She got a full ride to Grinnell, which led to a full ride to GW for grad school, and she was able to break the cycle of poverty based on her athletic ability in competition against biological females. Had it not been for her athletic ability, she likely would have ended up staying in the Bronx barrio where she grew up.

One of my employees was born to Mexican immigrants. Her mother, a victim of domestic violence, fled the family home with her four children and was homeless. My friend had extraordinary talent at basketball and got a scholarship to a prestigious private school, which led to a scholarship to university. This would not have been possible if she’d been outplayed by someone with the biological advantage of being born and having gone through puberty as a male.

I know it doesn’t matter TO YOU, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter - or make a tremendous difference - to anyone else. Get out of your privileged bubble for a minute.

Pro-women groups are pushing for more access. More funding for women’s sports.

That will actually help more women from disadvantaged backgrounds.

DP. Sure. Let’s all hope they succeed. But until then, what result? How many of the limited existing opportunities for elite women athletes should go to transwomen?

I would appreciate a real answer to this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

I am the PP who posted about my discomfort with a lot of the language used. “Sports aren’t about trophies” is exactly the sort of gaslighting language I am talking about.

I flat out don’t believe the PP was actually a D1 athlete, but putting that aside, when sports are used as a mechanism for access to education, especially for underprivileged women, it is totally disingenuous to dismiss questions about access to education with nonsense platitudes like that.

But I think PP is just one of the trolls trying to to shut down reasonable discussion, so is deliberately being nonsensical and provocative.

Agree. At higher levels sorts are 100% about trophies/winning.
Try telling an Olympic gold medalist that their win isn’t important.

You think the thousands of athletes who didn’t win a gold were wasting their time?

Of course not. But they’re TRYING to win it, which is the point.

No, that’s not “the point”.


https://olympics.com/ioc/olympic-values

-Striving for excellence and encouraging people to be the best they can be.
-Celebrating friendship, which is quite unique to the Olympic Games – an event that brings people together every few years.
-Demonstrating respect in many different manners: respect towards yourself, the rules, your opponents, the environment, the public, etc.

This is the idea of setting your rivalries aside. There is more that unites us than divides us.

Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles.

The goal of the Olympic Movement is to contribute to building a peaceful and better world by educating youth through sport practiced without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

Correct. But they absolutely have biological advantages that the females don’t. Why does everyone keep ignoring this?

Not universally.

Not every swimmer is double-jointed like Phelps. Or has the same wingspan. Or produces such little lactic acid.

Why are some physical variations ok - even celebrated - and others are not?


np Because Michael Phelps is an anomoly. Meaning 99.9 males who have gone through puberty and who have trained in said sport will be better than 99.9 females.

So some anomalies are ok, but others aren’t? Seems a little bigoted to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

I am the PP who posted about my discomfort with a lot of the language used. “Sports aren’t about trophies” is exactly the sort of gaslighting language I am talking about.

I flat out don’t believe the PP was actually a D1 athlete, but putting that aside, when sports are used as a mechanism for access to education, especially for underprivileged women, it is totally disingenuous to dismiss questions about access to education with nonsense platitudes like that.

But I think PP is just one of the trolls trying to to shut down reasonable discussion, so is deliberately being nonsensical and provocative.

Agree. At higher levels sorts are 100% about trophies/winning.
Try telling an Olympic gold medalist that their win isn’t important.

You think the thousands of athletes who didn’t win a gold were wasting their time?

Of course not. But they’re TRYING to win it, which is the point.

No, that’s not “the point”.


https://olympics.com/ioc/olympic-values

-Striving for excellence and encouraging people to be the best they can be.
-Celebrating friendship, which is quite unique to the Olympic Games – an event that brings people together every few years.
-Demonstrating respect in many different manners: respect towards yourself, the rules, your opponents, the environment, the public, etc.

This is the idea of setting your rivalries aside. There is more that unites us than divides us.

Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles.

The goal of the Olympic Movement is to contribute to building a peaceful and better world by educating youth through sport practiced without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.

Omg you REALLY think no one cares about the medals?!? If that’s not what the Olympics are about, why even have them? Let’s just all get together for a fun filled two weeks of enjoying sports - no medals necessary. As a matter of fact, let’s let EVERYONE compete in the Olympics - no need to qualify anymore. After all, it’s not about winning, right?
My god you really can’t make this sh!t up.

[Anonymous]

Medals are a fun perk for a small % of Olympians but they aren’t “the point” of the games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Medals are a fun perk for a small % of Olympians but they aren’t “the point” of the games.

If you truly believe that, there is no rational conversation to be had here.