Women's Sports and Lia Thomas thread

[Anonymous]

If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

Correct. But they absolutely have biological advantages that the females don’t. Why does everyone keep ignoring this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

You are missing the point. Intentionally, it seems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

Correct. But they absolutely have biological advantages that the females don’t. Why does everyone keep ignoring this?

Not universally.

Not every swimmer is double-jointed like Phelps. Or has the same wingspan. Or produces such little lactic acid.

Why are some physical variations ok - even celebrated - and others are not?

[Anonymous]

15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If someone is unwilling to acknowledge the intrinsic difference between a biological male and a biological female, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince them otherwise.

Enjoy your new world order - 1984 has truly come to pass. What a time to be alive.

That isn’t universally true. Every transgender women isn’t inherently stronger/faster than every cis-gender woman.

Correct. But they absolutely have biological advantages that the females don’t. Why does everyone keep ignoring this?

Not universally.

Not every swimmer is double-jointed like Phelps. Or has the same wingspan. Or produces such little lactic acid.

Why are some physical variations ok - even celebrated - and others are not?

Do you really not understand why sports competitions are divided by gender? Seriously??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

[Anonymous]

This thread is talking about how this topic can't be sincerely discussed on DCUM because there are too many anti-trans posters.

Sports are inherently "unfair". People are born with natural variations in physical attributes, abilities, training resources, etc.

Rich, white people fighting over an Ivy League title? How much more privileged/entitled could you get?

If PPs were truly concerned about "fairness" in sports they would be pushing to have better swimming resources for all kids. How many low-SES kids even learn how to swim? Have a lap pool available? Have a high-quality swim coach?

To hyperfocus on this one potential "unfair" factor in sports is bigoted.

So you are saying that any conversation focused on biological sex differences in sports is bigoted. You are advocating for shutting down any discussion on this top. At least be honest about it.

BTW, since you brought it up, my family is directly involved in providing sports opportunities to "low-SES" girls and has been for many years. What are you doing to bring opportunity to "low SES" kids? Providing more access to swim coaching for "low SES" kids is NOT the same conversation about fairness in competition due to biological differences in transatheletes. Stop de-railing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This thread is talking about how this topic can't be sincerely discussed on DCUM because there are too many anti-trans posters.

Sports are inherently "unfair". People are born with natural variations in physical attributes, abilities, training resources, etc.

Rich, white people fighting over an Ivy League title? How much more privileged/entitled could you get?

If PPs were truly concerned about "fairness" in sports they would be pushing to have better swimming resources for all kids. How many low-SES kids even learn how to swim? Have a lap pool available? Have a high-quality swim coach?

To hyperfocus on this one potential "unfair" factor in sports is bigoted.

So you are saying that any conversation focused on biological sex differences in sports is bigoted. You are advocating for shutting down any discussion on this top. At least be honest about it.

BTW, since you brought it up, my family is directly involved in providing sports opportunities to "low-SES" girls and has been for many years. What are you doing to bring opportunity to "low SES" kids? Providing more access to swim coaching for "low SES" kids is NOT the same conversation about fairness in competition due to biological differences in transatheletes. Stop de-railing.

If you want to discuss “fairness” in sports then it’s bigoted to only focus on the tiny # of transgender athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Ok, but you had to be good enough to get on that team. Remove single gender sports and women would be hard pressed to make any team. That's why title IX exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15 years of male testosterone is an advantage that no girl will ever overcome.

We should just drop girls sports at this point if there is no physical distinction between who is a man or a woman.

Sports organizations work with doctors to define guidelines for competition.

Should we have limits on physical attributes within a gender as well? Only let everyone within 2 std devs of the norm compete?

Sorry, Phelps. You have too much physical superiority than the other competitors.

NP. Do you think there should be men’s teams and women’s teams? Or only combined teams based on skill level?

If there is a push to define athletes by their physical attributes then that solution would make sense.

Or try to increase resources and opportunities for all and focus on the experience, not the trophy. Focus on sportsmanship. I played div 1 sport and I honestly only remember the score from a handful of games. We never won our conference. The important part for me wasn’t the winning/losing. It was being on a team, supporting each other, working together, and pushing ourselves harder. Sports aren’t about the trophies.

Except for those under-resourced women looking for a way “out.”

My mother was a poor Puerto Rican woman from the Bronx who kicked ASS at track. She got a full ride to Grinnell, which led to a full ride to GW for grad school, and she was able to break the cycle of poverty based on her athletic ability [i]in competition against biological females[\i]. Had it not been for her athletic ability, she likely would have ended up staying in the Bronx barrio where she grew up.

One of my employees was born to Mexican immigrants. Her mother, a victim of domestic violence, fled the family home with her four children and was homeless. My friend had extraordinary talent at basketball and got a scholarship to a prestigious private school, which led to a scholarship to university. This would not have been possible if she’d been outplayed by someone with the biological advantage of being born and having gone through puberty as a male.

I know it doesn’t matter TO YOU, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter - or make a tremendous difference - to anyone else. Get out of your privileged bubble for a minute.