2022 Olympics

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that her Insta has her American name.

Sounds like it was a family decision, though. Her dad took a position there after being a professor at UCLA.

If that's the case I guarantee there are going to be some broken families soon enough. I think I've heard of three Olympic athletes of Chinese descent who gave up U.S. citizenship and rights to compete in 2022 Games.

Nevermind that the games were severely downsized (along with sponsorship opportunities) because of a pandemic no one could have predicted back in 2018, they also gave up something that will serve them for a lifetime, especially when their own parents fled China for a better education, opportunities, and life. They were the golden children pre-Olympics but if they lose (and I think Gu so far is safe) - they've lost so much more than they realized with a monumental decision they made at 18. Old enough to drive and go to war and lose your citizenship but a decision like that - I wouldn't forgive my parents for coercing or influencing in any way.

She began representing China at 2018. We don't know when she relinquished her citizenship but if it happened in 2018, then she would have been 16 and decisions made at that age are easily reversible. All you have to do is say you were coerced or didn't understand what you were doing.

Mmmhmm, and daddy who was bought by the CCP to work on Chinese AI technology? LOL The state is not going to just let him go. They paid for him and put his daughter on the Olympics team. He's got to re-pay his debt and push Chinese scientific development to success. The fact that he brought his daughter along for the ride, knowing what it was like growing up in Chinese society but a 16/19-year-old born-and-raised in southern California having no clue - is just too bad.

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Except she didn't place in top three. The Chinese state media mysteriously blocked out the women's qualifiers while broadcasting the men's nationals. Weird. Then announced she was on the team like people wouldn't notice. Guess meritocracy is dead on China's doorstep.

LOL so your theory is that China's figure skating federation sent her because they wanted to lose?

I'm not the one saying she's a terrible skater. Do I think they took a chance because her father is a much bigger fish and he wanted his skater daughter who couldn't qualify in the U.S. to have stardom? Absolutely. If she ends up burned, he still has his science contract and more pressure than ever to perform well.

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I think she wouldn't have been on either team - Chinese or American and by showing up where she clearly was unqualified to be - she ruined another Chinese skater's chances, lost her own future of development (personally and academically) in the U.S., and dropped her citizenship which families pay millions to get.

She doesn't even speak fluent Mandarin. I can't imagine leaving my entire country and childhood behind only to fail so publicly. That's on her parents and her.

She IS on the Chinese team.

She finished 4th at the 2019 Chinese nationals. That's not in top three but tons better than she'd be here.

I think you're so blinded that you can't possibly imagine that another family may make a rational decision to switch to China in a way that makes sense for them. I mean yes, why get tons of free ice time when you can continue paying fifty grand a year to keep a kid in elite skating with no promise of results? Why go to international meets when you can be content never getting out of sectionals?

Did you feel the same way about Kristin Fraser competing for Azerbaijan?

Did you feel the same way about Tanith Belbin being fast-tracked for American citizenship?

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Except she didn't place in top three. The Chinese state media mysteriously blocked out the women's qualifiers while broadcasting the men's nationals. Weird. Then announced she was on the team like people wouldn't notice. Guess meritocracy is dead on China's doorstep.

LOL so your theory is that China's figure skating federation sent her because they wanted to lose?

I'm not the one saying she's a terrible skater. Do I think they took a chance because her father is a much bigger fish and he wanted his skater daughter who couldn't qualify in the U.S. to have stardom? Absolutely. If she ends up burned, he still has his science contract and more pressure than ever to perform well.

Look, someone at the Olympics is going to finish last, and that person is STILL forever an Olympian. It's not unreasonable to say - I have no chance to win either here or there, but there, I have a chance to GO.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that her Insta has her American name.

Sounds like it was a family decision, though. Her dad took a position there after being a professor at UCLA.

If that's the case I guarantee there are going to be some broken families soon enough. I think I've heard of three Olympic athletes of Chinese descent who gave up U.S. citizenship and rights to compete in 2022 Games.

Nevermind that the games were severely downsized (along with sponsorship opportunities) because of a pandemic no one could have predicted back in 2018, they also gave up something that will serve them for a lifetime, especially when their own parents fled China for a better education, opportunities, and life. They were the golden children pre-Olympics but if they lose (and I think Gu so far is safe) - they've lost so much more than they realized with a monumental decision they made at 18. Old enough to drive and go to war and lose your citizenship but a decision like that - I wouldn't forgive my parents for coercing or influencing in any way.

She began representing China at 2018. We don't know when she relinquished her citizenship but if it happened in 2018, then she would have been 16 and decisions made at that age are easily reversible. All you have to do is say you were coerced or didn't understand what you were doing.

Mmmhmm, and daddy who was bought by the CCP to work on Chinese AI technology? LOL The state is not going to just let him go. They paid for him and put his daughter on the Olympics team. He's got to re-pay his debt and push Chinese scientific development to success. The fact that he brought his daughter along for the ride, knowing what it was like growing up in Chinese society but a 16/19-year-old born-and-raised in southern California having no clue - is just too bad.

That's a bit racist of you. I mean Saudi Arabia and Dubai are way more oppressive than China and they are full of American expats on lucrative contracts, better than what they could find stateside. Why do you begrudge people an opportunity to pursue things abroad? Why does is burn you so much that someone may have prefer a country other than America at a certain point of life?

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I think she wouldn't have been on either team - Chinese or American and by showing up where she clearly was unqualified to be - she ruined another Chinese skater's chances, lost her own future of development (personally and academically) in the U.S., and dropped her citizenship which families pay millions to get.

She doesn't even speak fluent Mandarin. I can't imagine leaving my entire country and childhood behind only to fail so publicly. That's on her parents and her.

She IS on the Chinese team.

She finished 4th at the 2019 Chinese nationals. That's not in top three but tons better than she'd be here.

I think you're so blinded that you can't possibly imagine that another family may make a rational decision to switch to China in a way that makes sense for them. I mean yes, why get tons of free ice time when you can continue paying fifty grand a year to keep a kid in elite skating with no promise of results? Why go to international meets when you can be content never getting out of sectionals?

Did you feel the same way about Kristin Fraser competing for Azerbaijan?

Did you feel the same way about Tanith Belbin being fast-tracked for American citizenship?

Tanith Belbin medaled, kept dual citizenship which is a better prospective, and ended up in a lucrative career in part because her native language was the same as her host country.

Zhu/Beverly Yi sounds like a scared kid who was tricked into doing something she never should have and lost everything in the process. The same thing is happening to Eileen Gu btw - but at least she speaks the language for a country she is now citizen of for the rest of her life. They're both losing like Kristin Fraser and since you keep bringing her up - what happened to her? Where is she now? No one knows.

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Tanith Belbin medaled, kept dual citizenship which is a better prospective, and ended up in a lucrative career in part because her native language was the same as her host country.

Zhu/Beverly Yi sounds like a scared kid who was tricked into doing something she never should have and lost everything in the process. The same thing is happening to Eileen Gu btw - but at least she speaks the language for a country she is now citizen of for the rest of her life. They're both losing like Kristin Fraser and since you keep bringing her up - what happened to her? Where is she now? No one knows.

The point is that you're being hypocritical and racist when you're making up horror stories about her. Skaters switch countries all the time for their own purposes. It has little to do with their plans for the rest of their lives. You clearly have no issues with American skaters acquiring citizenships of obscure (and corrupt) countries in the name of an Olympic berth. You also clearly have no issues with America handing out citizenship to skaters that may enhance its competitive record internationally. But someone switching to China? Uh huh, no, can't have that, because something.

Stop bringing up medals. She did not go there to medal, do you really think the Chinese skating federation doesn't have a clear idea of their skaters' abilities? Do you think that only athletes with a chance to medal should go to the Olympics? Then the rest of the ladies skaters who aren't from Russia may as well pack their bags right now and go home. Do you understand that for most athletes just to GO to the Olympics is a pinnacle of their achievement? Not to medal but to GO? She had no chance to go to the Olympics to represent the US. Now, whatever happens to her competitive record, she'll always be an Olympian. Do you get that this is meaningful for her?

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Tanith Belbin medaled, kept dual citizenship which is a better prospective, and ended up in a lucrative career in part because her native language was the same as her host country.

Zhu/Beverly Yi sounds like a scared kid who was tricked into doing something she never should have and lost everything in the process. The same thing is happening to Eileen Gu btw - but at least she speaks the language for a country she is now citizen of for the rest of her life. They're both losing like Kristin Fraser and since you keep bringing her up - what happened to her? Where is she now? No one knows.

The point is that you're being hypocritical and racist when you're making up horror stories about her. Skaters switch countries all the time for their own purposes. It has little to do with their plans for the rest of their lives. You clearly have no issues with American skaters acquiring citizenships of obscure (and corrupt) countries in the name of an Olympic berth. You also clearly have no issues with America handing out citizenship to skaters that may enhance its competitive record internationally. But someone switching to China? Uh huh, no, can't have that, because something.

Stop bringing up medals. She did not go there to medal, do you really think the Chinese skating federation doesn't have a clear idea of their skaters' abilities? Do you think that only athletes with a chance to medal should go to the Olympics? Then the rest of the ladies skaters who aren't from Russia may as well pack their bags right now and go home. Do you understand that for most athletes just to GO to the Olympics is a pinnacle of their achievement? Not to medal but to GO? She had no chance to go to the Olympics to represent the US. Now, whatever happens to her competitive record, she'll always be an Olympian. Do you get that this is meaningful for her?

Now I've heard it all. Who gets on an Olympic team with the express wish NOT TO MEDAL? For themselves or for their country? Or maybe I'm just too used to Americans medaling consistently. Here its desirable. We don't join a competition to lose.

- signed a forever fan of Mackayla Maroney who made this face not because she lost but because she was unimpressed with Silver.

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Anonymous wrote:In contrast a lot of Asian females are literally falling in their routines. Including Karen Chen. This one wasn't as bad as Yi who fell twice and ran straight into a wall.

Not sure why you think their Asian-ness has anything to do with their falling.

By the way, Zhu Yi, the skater representing China, was born in LA, and she’s catching heck from Chinese media today for her poor performance.

Who said their race had anything to do with them falling? They're literally the only ones falling though. But yes - Zhu Yi is getting hell, especially because the Chinese netizens think she was given a spot representing China over a deserving Chinese native named Chen Hongyi who apparently is world's better.

A bunch of the men fell or landed badly or downgraded their jumps as well.

Who? Vincent Zhou bailed on a jump mid-air but he didn’t fall.

He also under-rotated a couple of his jumps. I was mostly thinking of the Canadian guy though.

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I guess I should have said "a couple" not "a bunch."

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Tanith Belbin medaled, kept dual citizenship which is a better prospective, and ended up in a lucrative career in part because her native language was the same as her host country.

Zhu/Beverly Yi sounds like a scared kid who was tricked into doing something she never should have and lost everything in the process. The same thing is happening to Eileen Gu btw - but at least she speaks the language for a country she is now citizen of for the rest of her life. They're both losing like Kristin Fraser and since you keep bringing her up - what happened to her? Where is she now? No one knows.

The point is that you're being hypocritical and racist when you're making up horror stories about her. Skaters switch countries all the time for their own purposes. It has little to do with their plans for the rest of their lives. You clearly have no issues with American skaters acquiring citizenships of obscure (and corrupt) countries in the name of an Olympic berth. You also clearly have no issues with America handing out citizenship to skaters that may enhance its competitive record internationally. But someone switching to China? Uh huh, no, can't have that, because something.

Stop bringing up medals. She did not go there to medal, do you really think the Chinese skating federation doesn't have a clear idea of their skaters' abilities? Do you think that only athletes with a chance to medal should go to the Olympics? Then the rest of the ladies skaters who aren't from Russia may as well pack their bags right now and go home. Do you understand that for most athletes just to GO to the Olympics is a pinnacle of their achievement? Not to medal but to GO? She had no chance to go to the Olympics to represent the US. Now, whatever happens to her competitive record, she'll always be an Olympian. Do you get that this is meaningful for her?

Now I've heard it all. Who gets on an Olympic team with the express wish NOT TO MEDAL? For themselves or for their country? Or maybe I'm just too used to Americans medaling consistently. Here its desirable. We don't join a competition to lose.

- signed a forever fan of Mackayla Maroney who made this face not because she lost but because she was unimpressed with Silver.

I am going to explain this like you're five years old.

There will be thirty lady skaters competing in these Olympic games. Three will medal. Twenty-seven will not.

Now, a couple of trick questions:

Do you think the twenty-seven who will NOT medal already know they will not medal? Like, they've compared their bag of tricks to the ladies on top and realistically deduced they have no chance to medal? Yes or no?

OK. Another trick question. Do you think these twenty-seven ladies should just pack their bags and go home since they won't medal and most of them know they won't medal?

Or is there, I dunno, some special value and meaning attached to participating in the Olympic games? To just freaking being there?

Oh wait, I'm going to send a message to the American women skaters that they should go home. Some chick on DCUM thinks Americans should only enter competitions they are going to win. She's so, I dunno, USED to Americans winning, she can't take them NOT winning.

[Anonymous]

Is the jumpy part of snowboarding and skiiing on the grounds of a nuclear plant? Weird...and not senic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the jumpy part of snowboarding and skiiing on the grounds of a nuclear plant? Weird...and not senic.

I was thinking that, too. Bizarre

[Anonymous]

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Tanith Belbin medaled, kept dual citizenship which is a better prospective, and ended up in a lucrative career in part because her native language was the same as her host country.

Zhu/Beverly Yi sounds like a scared kid who was tricked into doing something she never should have and lost everything in the process. The same thing is happening to Eileen Gu btw - but at least she speaks the language for a country she is now citizen of for the rest of her life. They're both losing like Kristin Fraser and since you keep bringing her up - what happened to her? Where is she now? No one knows.

The point is that you're being hypocritical and racist when you're making up horror stories about her. Skaters switch countries all the time for their own purposes. It has little to do with their plans for the rest of their lives. You clearly have no issues with American skaters acquiring citizenships of obscure (and corrupt) countries in the name of an Olympic berth. You also clearly have no issues with America handing out citizenship to skaters that may enhance its competitive record internationally. But someone switching to China? Uh huh, no, can't have that, because something.

Stop bringing up medals. She did not go there to medal, do you really think the Chinese skating federation doesn't have a clear idea of their skaters' abilities? Do you think that only athletes with a chance to medal should go to the Olympics? Then the rest of the ladies skaters who aren't from Russia may as well pack their bags right now and go home. Do you understand that for most athletes just to GO to the Olympics is a pinnacle of their achievement? Not to medal but to GO? She had no chance to go to the Olympics to represent the US. Now, whatever happens to her competitive record, she'll always be an Olympian. Do you get that this is meaningful for her?

Now I've heard it all. Who gets on an Olympic team with the express wish NOT TO MEDAL? For themselves or for their country? Or maybe I'm just too used to Americans medaling consistently. Here its desirable. We don't join a competition to lose.

- signed a forever fan of Mackayla Maroney who made this face not because she lost but because she was unimpressed with Silver.

I am going to explain this like you're five years old.

There will be thirty lady skaters competing in these Olympic games. Three will medal. Twenty-seven will not.

Now, a couple of trick questions:

Do you think the twenty-seven who will NOT medal already know they will not medal? Like, they've compared their bag of tricks to the ladies on top and realistically deduced they have no chance to medal? Yes or no?

OK. Another trick question. Do you think these twenty-seven ladies should just pack their bags and go home since they won't medal and most of them know they won't medal?

Or is there, I dunno, some special value and meaning attached to participating in the Olympic games? To just freaking being there?

Oh wait, I'm going to send a message to the American women skaters that they should go home. Some chick on DCUM thinks Americans should only enter competitions they are going to win. She's so, I dunno, USED to Americans winning, she can't take them NOT winning.

You must be desperate because you're making basic mistakes. Zhu qualified under the women's TEAM short program. She fell under that program and took the entire Chinese team (7 other competitors) who were in 3rd place - down to 5th. Preventing an entire TEAM from medaling. So a) it wasn't just 3 out of 27 people who can medal and b) her failure became her team's failure which makes it even more pitiful. Thanks to her Japan is in the lead for Bronze and there's no way anyone but Russia and U.S. will take Silver and Gold for team medals (not even speaking on individuals). The lead is too far to catch up for a team medal with one program remaining.

Here's the U.S. celebrating its 2018 Bronze TEAM medal.

[Anonymous]

Is there a video of Zhu's performance?