6th Grade Math Options

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Anonymous wrote:It was never common even before the lottery.

None of you actually seem to have a child at TPMS because there are still only a very small number of kids in this situation and they come from all over. I do think there's a child from Frost but most of the rest are not from Ws. Many of the kids who were accelerated when they used the Cogat were not getting offers from TPMS anyway. Once your child goes to Blair it won't matter anyway. The most advanced kids take a special class in 9th/10th and often kids go "backwards" in order to take it. Backwards is really the wrong term but I can't think of a better one but the kids who skipped a year end up in the same class as the ones who did not. You can't predict who does well in that class based on their previous math path either.

Not really. TPMS outright refuses to let anyone take Algebra in 6th unless they took AIM in 5th and the kids that meet that criteria don't come from all over but one or two specific schools that allow this. However, MS's like Frost however allow anyone who scores over 250 on their map-m to take Algebra in 6th at least I've read this here. My children went through TPMS.

It sounds like the advantage to TPMS isn't really a huge advantage for some math kids then.

Except the TPMS kids get to accelerate through their math classes as they only have math every other day. They are literally getting through the curriculum in 50 percent of the time of the other kids who have math every day. The other 50 percent of the time they are taking Magnet computer science.

The A/B schedule is pretty common in Middle School. They have longer classes each day so its the same amount of class time.

No it’s not. The magnet kids take math every other day. The non magnet kids take it every day - meaning magnet algebra has 50 percent less teaching time than regular non magnet algebra which is every day, despite the odd/even day schedule.

Then, TPMS sounds pretty terrible. A/B schedule is common in many middle schools. It may not be in your experience but we are on an A/B schedule.

I’m not sure how to make this any clearer. TPMS has an A/B schedule, but non-magnet students have math on both A and B days, which are actually known as odd/even days at TPMS. Magnet students don’t have math every day. On A or odd days (for example) they have magnet math and in B or even days they have magnet computer science. Or Vice versa. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to understand. They have a more in depth math curriculum and half the lesson time as the other students not in the magnet program.

Ok, what do you want? This makes little sense but ok. You cannot have a more in depth math curriculum with half the lesson time. That sounds pretty terrible.

Well, it makes little sense because the other PP is misinformed.

Generally speaking, most MS students spend ~45 minutes everyday in a math period. At TPMS magnet, they spend ~90 minutes every OTHER day. So overall math instruction time is similar.

At TPMS, apparently the non-magnet kids spend ~90 minutes every day on math. If true, that would make the TPMS nonmagnet math the outlier, and not the magnet math.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never common even before the lottery.

None of you actually seem to have a child at TPMS because there are still only a very small number of kids in this situation and they come from all over. I do think there's a child from Frost but most of the rest are not from Ws. Many of the kids who were accelerated when they used the Cogat were not getting offers from TPMS anyway. Once your child goes to Blair it won't matter anyway. The most advanced kids take a special class in 9th/10th and often kids go "backwards" in order to take it. Backwards is really the wrong term but I can't think of a better one but the kids who skipped a year end up in the same class as the ones who did not. You can't predict who does well in that class based on their previous math path either.

Not really. TPMS outright refuses to let anyone take Algebra in 6th unless they took AIM in 5th and the kids that meet that criteria don't come from all over but one or two specific schools that allow this. However, MS's like Frost however allow anyone who scores over 250 on their map-m to take Algebra in 6th at least I've read this here. My children went through TPMS.

It sounds like the advantage to TPMS isn't really a huge advantage for some math kids then.

Except the TPMS kids get to accelerate through their math classes as they only have math every other day. They are literally getting through the curriculum in 50 percent of the time of the other kids who have math every day. The other 50 percent of the time they are taking Magnet computer science.

The A/B schedule is pretty common in Middle School. They have longer classes each day so its the same amount of class time.

No it’s not. The magnet kids take math every other day. The non magnet kids take it every day - meaning magnet algebra has 50 percent less teaching time than regular non magnet algebra which is every day, despite the odd/even day schedule.

Then, TPMS sounds pretty terrible. A/B schedule is common in many middle schools. It may not be in your experience but we are on an A/B schedule.

I’m not sure how to make this any clearer. TPMS has an A/B schedule, but non-magnet students have math on both A and B days, which are actually known as odd/even days at TPMS. Magnet students don’t have math every day. On A or odd days (for example) they have magnet math and in B or even days they have magnet computer science. Or Vice versa. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to understand. They have a more in depth math curriculum and half the lesson time as the other students not in the magnet program.

Ok, what do you want? This makes little sense but ok. You cannot have a more in depth math curriculum with half the lesson time. That sounds pretty terrible.

Well, it makes little sense because the other PP is misinformed.

Generally speaking, most MS students spend ~45 minutes everyday in a math period. At TPMS magnet, they spend ~90 minutes every OTHER day. So overall math instruction time is similar.

At TPMS, apparently the non-magnet kids spend ~90 minutes every day on math. If true, that would make the TPMS nonmagnet math the outlier, and not the magnet math.

Again, this makes no sense. A good number of schools are on the A/B schedule which means every other day 90 minute classes. That means you get math every other day. This is consistent with every other schools. If you do 90 minutes every other day vs. 45 minutes a day that is equal time in math.

So, TPMS students go every other day to math class and of those math classes, they have one session of math and one session of computers?

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Anonymous wrote:It was never common even before the lottery.

None of you actually seem to have a child at TPMS because there are still only a very small number of kids in this situation and they come from all over. I do think there's a child from Frost but most of the rest are not from Ws. Many of the kids who were accelerated when they used the Cogat were not getting offers from TPMS anyway. Once your child goes to Blair it won't matter anyway. The most advanced kids take a special class in 9th/10th and often kids go "backwards" in order to take it. Backwards is really the wrong term but I can't think of a better one but the kids who skipped a year end up in the same class as the ones who did not. You can't predict who does well in that class based on their previous math path either.

Not really. TPMS outright refuses to let anyone take Algebra in 6th unless they took AIM in 5th and the kids that meet that criteria don't come from all over but one or two specific schools that allow this. However, MS's like Frost however allow anyone who scores over 250 on their map-m to take Algebra in 6th at least I've read this here. My children went through TPMS.

It sounds like the advantage to TPMS isn't really a huge advantage for some math kids then.

Except the TPMS kids get to accelerate through their math classes as they only have math every other day. They are literally getting through the curriculum in 50 percent of the time of the other kids who have math every day. The other 50 percent of the time they are taking Magnet computer science.

The A/B schedule is pretty common in Middle School. They have longer classes each day so its the same amount of class time.

No it’s not. The magnet kids take math every other day. The non magnet kids take it every day - meaning magnet algebra has 50 percent less teaching time than regular non magnet algebra which is every day, despite the odd/even day schedule.

Then, TPMS sounds pretty terrible. A/B schedule is common in many middle schools. It may not be in your experience but we are on an A/B schedule.

I’m not sure how to make this any clearer. TPMS has an A/B schedule, but non-magnet students have math on both A and B days, which are actually known as odd/even days at TPMS. Magnet students don’t have math every day. On A or odd days (for example) they have magnet math and in B or even days they have magnet computer science. Or Vice versa. I’m not sure why that’s so hard to understand. They have a more in depth math curriculum and half the lesson time as the other students not in the magnet program.

Ok, what do you want? This makes little sense but ok. You cannot have a more in depth math curriculum with half the lesson time. That sounds pretty terrible.

Well, it makes little sense because the other PP is misinformed.

Generally speaking, most MS students spend ~45 minutes everyday in a math period. At TPMS magnet, they spend ~90 minutes every OTHER day. So overall math instruction time is similar.

At TPMS, apparently the non-magnet kids spend ~90 minutes every day on math. If true, that would make the TPMS nonmagnet math the outlier, and not the magnet math.

Again, this makes no sense. A good number of schools are on the A/B schedule which means every other day 90 minute classes. That means you get math every other day. This is consistent with every other schools. If you do 90 minutes every other day vs. 45 minutes a day that is equal time in math.

So, TPMS students go every other day to math class and of those math classes, they have one session of math and one session of computers?

Huh? I didn't say anything about computer science.

TPMS magnet students get to do computer science because of block scheduling and eight periods. Just like in MSMC schools (and I think SSIMS as well), the extra period of instruction and access to an eighth course is the artifact of block scheduling, and not because math instruction is cut in half.

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TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

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For magnet kids they have the following 8 classes:

- English
- math
-computer science
- history/social studies
- PE/health
- science
-elective 1
- elective 2

The other kids have:

English
- math
- math
- history/social studies
- PE/health
- science
-elective 1
- elective 2

This makes up 8 periods on an odd/even day split.

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

I'm an NP who asked that question. I got confused by the back and forth. Thank you for clarifying.
A lot of us are in different middle schools and it seems shocking that a school in the same school district offers double the amount of math instruction for their REGULAR curriculum. We all understand that the magnet is special.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

I'm an NP who asked that question. I got confused by the back and forth. Thank you for clarifying.
A lot of us are in different middle schools and it seems shocking that a school in the same school district offers double the amount of math instruction for their REGULAR curriculum. We all understand that the magnet is special.

I didn’t realize that was the case. I thought all schools had two periods of math. What about schools that have period 1 on both odd and even days? Why do they have period 1 five times a week?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

This post reminds of this meme - https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/were-all-trying-to-find-the-guy-who-did-this

What caused the confusion was this post (01/30/2022 20:21):

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was never common even before the lottery.

None of you actually seem to have a child at TPMS because there are still only a very small number of kids in this situation and they come from all over. I do think there's a child from Frost but most of the rest are not from Ws. Many of the kids who were accelerated when they used the Cogat were not getting offers from TPMS anyway. Once your child goes to Blair it won't matter anyway. The most advanced kids take a special class in 9th/10th and often kids go "backwards" in order to take it. Backwards is really the wrong term but I can't think of a better one but the kids who skipped a year end up in the same class as the ones who did not. You can't predict who does well in that class based on their previous math path either.

Not really. TPMS outright refuses to let anyone take Algebra in 6th unless they took AIM in 5th and the kids that meet that criteria don't come from all over but one or two specific schools that allow this. However, MS's like Frost however allow anyone who scores over 250 on their map-m to take Algebra in 6th at least I've read this here. My children went through TPMS.

It sounds like the advantage to TPMS isn't really a huge advantage for some math kids then.

Except the TPMS kids get to accelerate through their math classes as they only have math every other day. They are literally getting through the curriculum in 50 percent of the time of the other kids who have math every day. The other 50 percent of the time they are taking Magnet computer science.

It was your original post that was the cause of confusion - especially the portion bolded above. Do you know who has "math every day" ? Students at Wood MS or Eastern MS or NBMS or Sligo, etc., pretty much most of the MCPS middle schools that are not on block schedule. They all spend a similar amount of time on math instruction as TPMS. (And the other schools that have block scheduling such as the three MSMC schools and SSIMS all also allow students to do eight courses, meaning they would do math every other day like TPMS magnet.)

Your knowledge was limited to TPMS magnet and TPMS nonmagnet, and you generalized based on that. Unfortunately for you, TPMS nonmagnet math turned out to be an outlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

This post reminds of this meme - https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/were-all-trying-to-find-the-guy-who-did-this

What caused the confusion was this post (01/30/2022 20:21):

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was never common even before the lottery.

None of you actually seem to have a child at TPMS because there are still only a very small number of kids in this situation and they come from all over. I do think there's a child from Frost but most of the rest are not from Ws. Many of the kids who were accelerated when they used the Cogat were not getting offers from TPMS anyway. Once your child goes to Blair it won't matter anyway. The most advanced kids take a special class in 9th/10th and often kids go "backwards" in order to take it. Backwards is really the wrong term but I can't think of a better one but the kids who skipped a year end up in the same class as the ones who did not. You can't predict who does well in that class based on their previous math path either.

Not really. TPMS outright refuses to let anyone take Algebra in 6th unless they took AIM in 5th and the kids that meet that criteria don't come from all over but one or two specific schools that allow this. However, MS's like Frost however allow anyone who scores over 250 on their map-m to take Algebra in 6th at least I've read this here. My children went through TPMS.

It sounds like the advantage to TPMS isn't really a huge advantage for some math kids then.

Except the TPMS kids get to accelerate through their math classes as they only have math every other day. They are literally getting through the curriculum in 50 percent of the time of the other kids who have math every day. The other 50 percent of the time they are taking Magnet computer science.

It was your original post that was the cause of confusion - especially the portion bolded above. Do you know who has "math every day" ? Students at Wood MS or Eastern MS or NBMS or Sligo, etc., pretty much most of the MCPS middle schools that are not on block schedule. They all spend a similar amount of time on math instruction as TPMS. (And the other schools that have block scheduling such as the three MSMC schools and SSIMS all also allow students to do eight courses, meaning they would do math every other day like TPMS magnet.)

Your knowledge was limited to TPMS magnet and TPMS nonmagnet, and you generalized based on that. Unfortunately for you, TPMS nonmagnet math turned out to be an outlier.

Oops - I meant to say "They all spend a similar amount of time on math instruction as TPMS magnet."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

I'm an NP who asked that question. I got confused by the back and forth. Thank you for clarifying.
A lot of us are in different middle schools and it seems shocking that a school in the same school district offers double the amount of math instruction for their REGULAR curriculum. We all understand that the magnet is special.

Some schools on a block schedule with 7 classes with have one class meet every day and then the 3 other classes will meet every other day. The 3 classes are double periods, the 1 class is a single period. It all works out to the same time in class per period.
I didn’t realize that was the case. I thought all schools had two periods of math. What about schools that have period 1 on both odd and even days? Why do they have period 1 five times a week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TPMS non magnet students get double the math of regular MS kids? They have math 5 days a week and each one of those sessions is a double block?

Yes.

Actually, I have no idea what kids at other middle schools get. But yes, the non magnet students at TPMS get double the math instruction that magnet kids. There are 8 classes and for non magnet kids, two of them are math. For magnet kids one is math and one is computer science. It’s amazing to me that this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I explained it clearly the first time but it’s as if some of you just don’t want to believe it and want to insist it must be some mistake of the A/B split schedule.

I'm an NP who asked that question. I got confused by the back and forth. Thank you for clarifying.
A lot of us are in different middle schools and it seems shocking that a school in the same school district offers double the amount of math instruction for their REGULAR curriculum. We all understand that the magnet is special.

Some schools on a block schedule with 7 classes with have one class meet every day and then the 3 other classes will meet every other day. The 3 classes are double periods, the 1 class is a single period. It all works out to the same time in class per period.
I didn’t realize that was the case. I thought all schools had two periods of math. What about schools that have period 1 on both odd and even days? Why do they have period 1 five times a week?

If they are on a 7 class schedule, the timing works out where it makes the most sense.

Schools have math as one class like any other class. So, on an A/B schedule it meets 2-3 times a week depending on the rotation.

Each school runs differently. Some are on a 7-8 schedule every day, some on an A/B schedule (and those vary depending on if they have 7 or 8 classes).

[Anonymous]

Do others have the 6th grade math recommendations yet for their 5th graders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do others have the 6th grade math recommendations yet for their 5th graders?

Not us headed to Rosa Parks.