Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to pull my hair out if it is Holton. We have remained silent over many thing there but this would be a bridge too far. I think it would be sad if they suddenly decided that there is wrong with the word girl. Should be a source of pride.

I would also like to know if it is Holton. We are in the process of applying, precisely because we want a girls school, and this, if true, would give me serious pause.

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

I didn't say majority. You made that up. I said "high rates," and that is well-established by now. Do I need to do basic research for you and show you estimates of rates of sexual assault? This is not really a fact that is much debated.

Also, it's hard to tell from your hyperventilating answer, but are you taking the position that children enrolled in expensive private school are magically exempt from experiences of sexual assault, battery, rape, etc.? Studies of childhood assault do not support that.

I find it interesting how freaked out you are, and I think it is sad. There is plenty of data available to you, if you choose to educate yourself. You don't have to stay blind.

I would love to see your data, as it applies to females from UMC backgrounds from married, intact two-parent homes. That is the majority of these girls. And the idea that "high rates" of them have been sexually assaulted by middle school is absurd. You are literally making that up from nothing.

I agree with the other poster; you are a frequent on these boards who always comes in to bash men and talk about sexual trauma in everyone's lives. Obviously, you come from a point of reference that is extremely sad, and for that I am sorry. But to not get help and to project your misery onto everyone else is not the key to moving forward in life. Just some advice to you from DCUM.

I am the PP who posted the recap. I have never once posted to bash men or about sexual trauma in everyone's lives. I find it totally bizarre and quite unfortunate that you feel a need to engage in outright fantasies about me to avoid the substance of the discussion. However, since you don't seem capable of rational, level-headed discussion, I'm not going to engage further. There is no point. Best wishes to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree. A poster said that girls are becoming trans to fight against misogyny because men will have better lives because they have a penis. This statement is utter nonsense in every sense of the word. So, because men rape women, become a man. As the poster said, “if you can’t beat them, join them”. Just bizarre.

I’m not sure she was suggesting girls are becoming or want to become men so much as they are fleeing the “girl” or “woman” label. As in, “I don’t want to be viewed as the weaker sex, so I will say that sex and gender roles don’t define me.”

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Women have vaginas and uteruses to bear children and breasts to feed them. Men have penises and testicles to create and deliver sperm. Again, if we want to change language that has been successfully used for thousands of years, someone needs to start that. Until then, we have to help our girls understand that the language doesn’t define them, limit them, or label them. It’s just a recognition that for the vast, vast majority of people, calling them men or women is simply language.

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…Simply language to define their genetic sexual characteristics.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m going to pull my hair out if it is Holton. We have remained silent over many thing there but this would be a bridge too far. I think it would be sad if they suddenly decided that there is wrong with the word girl. Should be a source of pride.

I would also like to know if it is Holton. We are in the process of applying, precisely because we want a girls school, and this, if true, would give me serious pause.

Best press pause, then.

Wonder if you actually will.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

Either Stone Ridge or Holton. Either way, it’s ridiculous.

I want to know so we don’t apply in the future. These schools need to get a grip.

How terrible that the school is making a small effort to accommodate a child who is unsure of their identity in what is a difficult time in the lives of nearly every child.

[Anonymous]

If you are applying to Holton, take a serious look. Susanna Jones is leaving but not until 2023. It should be interesting who ends up with her job. They are afraid of the big bad wolf. You would not believe. Just peruse the instagram accounts of some of the students.

[Anonymous]

I see a number of people on this thread confident that the changes being proposed by the students would never be implemented. I wish I were as confident. It is women and others not speaking up for logic and rationality in this space that has led us to where we are today.

I assume that everyone has seen the news about the recent U Penn student who competed with the mens swim team for several years, "transitioned", and is now competing against women and blowing them out of the literal water? So sad for young women who have trained their entire lives and now being handily beaten by a student with a male body. No one is standing up for these women - it is an abomination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see a number of people on this thread confident that the changes being proposed by the students would never be implemented. I wish I were as confident. It is women and others not speaking up for logic and rationality in this space that has led us to where we are today.

I assume that everyone has seen the news about the recent U Penn student who competed with the mens swim team for several years, "transitioned", and is now competing against women and blowing them out of the literal water? So sad for young women who have trained their entire lives and now being handily beaten by a student with a male body. No one is standing up for these women - it is an abomination.

I assume you somehow tie your beet noir to the thread topic?

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Bete noir, not beet. My mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

Either Stone Ridge or Holton. Either way, it’s ridiculous.

I want to know so we don’t apply in the future. These schools need to get a grip.

How terrible that the school is making a small effort to accommodate a child who is unsure of their identity in what is a difficult time in the lives of nearly every child.

It seems to me that they are denying the child's identity and treating it as a phase. If they seriously believed that Larla was now Larlo, they would work on getting him transferred to Landon. Of course they don't actually believe it, they just play along like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bete noir, not beet. My mistake.

A good mistake though, it has to be said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bete noir, not beet. My mistake.

I think my comment hews quite closely to the thread at hand; that connection speaks for itself. Far more than your response, either the beet or bete variety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see a number of people on this thread confident that the changes being proposed by the students would never be implemented. I wish I were as confident. It is women and others not speaking up for logic and rationality in this space that has led us to where we are today.

I assume that everyone has seen the news about the recent U Penn student who competed with the mens swim team for several years, "transitioned", and is now competing against women and blowing them out of the literal water? So sad for young women who have trained their entire lives and now being handily beaten by a student with a male body. No one is standing up for these women - it is an abomination.

You know who should be standing up for these girls, and all girls everywhere caught up in institutions promoting this madness? Their mothers.