Should NATO/ US planes bomb the Russian military massing on the Ukraine border?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How is the weather there in Moscow today?

Too cold for the Nazi veterans parade.




RIGA, Latvia (JTA) — Each year on March 16, a macabre event unfolds on the square around this capital city’s most famous monument.

Known as the Memorial for Latvian Legionnaires, it is the world’s only march by veterans of Nazi Germany’s elite SS unit.

A handful of them, including nonagenarians in wheelchairs, lead the procession through the Old City to the monument. Some wear the insignia from their old units — the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier Divisions — as they receive flowers from young women flanking the procession.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-23-1992054004-story.html

Estonia has its own memorial to Estonians who served in the SS. Besides the 20th SS Division (Estonia), Estonians also played a significant role in the 5th SS Division (Wiking) which was noted for war crimes. There’s evidence that members of the 20th participated in at least one concentration camp massacre.
That said, many of the young men were given an impossible choice. Fight and die for a socialist dictatorship or a fascist dictatorship.

I see. Why, then, aren't you making the same excuses for the Nazis? It's not like the Germans were given a choice to join the army.

[Anonymous]

Waffen SS membership was voluntary. There was no impossible choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How is the weather there in Moscow today?

Too cold for the Nazi veterans parade.




RIGA, Latvia (JTA) — Each year on March 16, a macabre event unfolds on the square around this capital city’s most famous monument.

Known as the Memorial for Latvian Legionnaires, it is the world’s only march by veterans of Nazi Germany’s elite SS unit.

A handful of them, including nonagenarians in wheelchairs, lead the procession through the Old City to the monument. Some wear the insignia from their old units — the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier Divisions — as they receive flowers from young women flanking the procession.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-23-1992054004-story.html

Estonia has its own memorial to Estonians who served in the SS. Besides the 20th SS Division (Estonia), Estonians also played a significant role in the 5th SS Division (Wiking) which was noted for war crimes. There’s evidence that members of the 20th participated in at least one concentration camp massacre.
That said, many of the young men were given an impossible choice. Fight and die for a socialist dictatorship or a fascist dictatorship.

First, the Lithuanian Jews were killed off before Nazis entered the country. By the locals.

Second, I want you to imagine a march of the SS veterans in, say, Paris or Amsterdam, and then think of all the rich and varied punishments that would be visited upon them in these countries if they as much as showed their faces on the streets. And then think about why you're making excuses for the Baltics that you wouldn't have been able to make, say, for the French or the Dutch.

No one made excuses. Apologies for you misreading what was written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waffen SS membership was voluntary. There was no impossible choice.

Actually research into the 20th indicates a large number were conscripted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How is the weather there in Moscow today?

Too cold for the Nazi veterans parade.




RIGA, Latvia (JTA) — Each year on March 16, a macabre event unfolds on the square around this capital city’s most famous monument.

Known as the Memorial for Latvian Legionnaires, it is the world’s only march by veterans of Nazi Germany’s elite SS unit.

A handful of them, including nonagenarians in wheelchairs, lead the procession through the Old City to the monument. Some wear the insignia from their old units — the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier Divisions — as they receive flowers from young women flanking the procession.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-23-1992054004-story.html

Estonia has its own memorial to Estonians who served in the SS. Besides the 20th SS Division (Estonia), Estonians also played a significant role in the 5th SS Division (Wiking) which was noted for war crimes. There’s evidence that members of the 20th participated in at least one concentration camp massacre.
That said, many of the young men were given an impossible choice. Fight and die for a socialist dictatorship or a fascist dictatorship.

First, the Lithuanian Jews were killed off before Nazis entered the country. By the locals.

Second, I want you to imagine a march of the SS veterans in, say, Paris or Amsterdam, and then think of all the rich and varied punishments that would be visited upon them in these countries if they as much as showed their faces on the streets. And then think about why you're making excuses for the Baltics that you wouldn't have been able to make, say, for the French or the Dutch.

No one made excuses. Apologies for you misreading what was written.

Of course you weren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How is the weather there in Moscow today?

Too cold for the Nazi veterans parade.




RIGA, Latvia (JTA) — Each year on March 16, a macabre event unfolds on the square around this capital city’s most famous monument.

Known as the Memorial for Latvian Legionnaires, it is the world’s only march by veterans of Nazi Germany’s elite SS unit.

A handful of them, including nonagenarians in wheelchairs, lead the procession through the Old City to the monument. Some wear the insignia from their old units — the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier Divisions — as they receive flowers from young women flanking the procession.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-23-1992054004-story.html

Estonia has its own memorial to Estonians who served in the SS. Besides the 20th SS Division (Estonia), Estonians also played a significant role in the 5th SS Division (Wiking) which was noted for war crimes. There’s evidence that members of the 20th participated in at least one concentration camp massacre.
That said, many of the young men were given an impossible choice. Fight and die for a socialist dictatorship or a fascist dictatorship.

First, the Lithuanian Jews were killed off before Nazis entered the country. By the locals.

Second, I want you to imagine a march of the SS veterans in, say, Paris or Amsterdam, and then think of all the rich and varied punishments that would be visited upon them in these countries if they as much as showed their faces on the streets. And then think about why you're making excuses for the Baltics that you wouldn't have been able to make, say, for the French or the Dutch.

No one made excuses. Apologies for you misreading what was written.

Of course you weren’t.

It's not like you Russians cared. That's where you forced them to live so they wouldn't "polute" the motherland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t we getting Russia on our side against China like in WW2 they helped us against Germany?


We have stupid leaders. Biden in only 10 months and everything sucks. Saber rattling Russia and 160 days Americans trapped in Taliban country.

And Russia has stupid leaders. Putin thinks the only way to make Russia better is by dragging everyone else down and making the world burn.

[Anonymous]

New satellite photos show Russian military equipment amassing on the border.

Meanwhile Colonel Klebb and Joey are being played by Putin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the Russian troops advance I am good with a NATO alliance providing air support.

We need to give it up on Nordstream 2. All the parties to the actual agreement want that to happen. It's not ideal, but as demonstrated by Russian troops at the border of Ukraine we have much bigger fish to fry. If we let Putin take Ukraine we have massive problems in the area. Europe cares, but Europe can't do it on its own.

Without credible ground forces, air power in of itself cannot significantly alter the battle space, especially against a foe that will contest any air ops. Air power cannot seize and hold ground. The Ukraine Army is not credible or capable of doing this with or without air support. It will only escalate to a wider war and Ukraine is not worth that. Sure, use all the non-kinetic tools at our disposal to get the Russians to stand down but war, as we have seen over and over for two decades of failure, is not the answer.

PP here. I appreciate this thoughtful and I am sure correct analysis (I am being sincere).

I still say bomb the $H!T out of the Russians on the border if they advance. I truly think it's the only thing Putin will really respond to. And blame the deaths of Russia's sons directly on Putin, publicly, and often. Does that ratchet up the old tensions? Yes. But the Russians have been operating largely unchecked in many ways for several years - poisoning enemies in the UK, assassinating enemies in Berlin, attacking a US diplomat/spy at the US Embassy, etc. and then you get to the invasion of Ukraine.

Pushing back against Putin and his agenda also helps us domestically.

[Anonymous]

Will this be the Gulf of Tonkin moment for Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will this be the Gulf of Tonkin moment for Ukraine?

Ah yes, the Russian-engineered false flag event. When someone throws a firework and Putin decides to invade in response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Russian troops advance I am good with a NATO alliance providing air support.

We need to give it up on Nordstream 2. All the parties to the actual agreement want that to happen. It's not ideal, but as demonstrated by Russian troops at the border of Ukraine we have much bigger fish to fry. If we let Putin take Ukraine we have massive problems in the area. Europe cares, but Europe can't do it on its own.

Without credible ground forces, air power in of itself cannot significantly alter the battle space, especially against a foe that will contest any air ops. Air power cannot seize and hold ground. The Ukraine Army is not credible or capable of doing this with or without air support. It will only escalate to a wider war and Ukraine is not worth that. Sure, use all the non-kinetic tools at our disposal to get the Russians to stand down but war, as we have seen over and over for two decades of failure, is not the answer.

PP here. I appreciate this thoughtful and I am sure correct analysis (I am being sincere).

I still say bomb the $H!T out of the Russians on the border if they advance. I truly think it's the only thing Putin will really respond to. And blame the deaths of Russia's sons directly on Putin, publicly, and often. Does that ratchet up the old tensions? Yes. But the Russians have been operating largely unchecked in many ways for several years - poisoning enemies in the UK, assassinating enemies in Berlin, attacking a US diplomat/spy at the US Embassy, etc. and then you get to the invasion of Ukraine.

Pushing back against Putin and his agenda also helps us domestically.

Plus encouraging widespread cyber attacks and soccer hooliganism by the "private" sector

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this be the Gulf of Tonkin moment for Ukraine?

Ah yes, the Russian-engineered false flag event. When someone throws a firework and Putin decides to invade in response.

Exactly what I thought.

[Anonymous]

Russian mercenaries have been in Eastern Ukraine for months

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-mercenaries-deploy-eastern-ukraine-sources-2021-12-23/