LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

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Anonymous wrote:Help me out here. I'm not tuned in to all of the details about the rules for the transgender policies. Are all boys now permitted to use girls' bathrooms? Boys who identify as female? Is any documentation required? (In other words, are there administrative records that might verify or contradict the girl's father's claim that the attacker was using the girls' bathroom under the transgender policies?) And yes, I understand that these records are likely confidential, but my question is whether they even exist.

Regardless, assault is assault and it is very disappointing (and probably quite common) that offenders are just shuffled off to another school. At least they didn't tell the girl SHE had to move to another school if she felt unsafe.

This (bolded) is part of the problem. There are no documentation/proof/etc needed as people are fluid. Any boy can "feel like a girl one day" and go into the girls locker room with no way to stop them. Several of the school board members tried to get some criteria added to the policy (medical documentation?), but it was shot down by the remainder of the school board and passed without criteria.

They will have to do some major vote manipulation if they think Loudoun is staying blue after this.

[Anonymous]

I do not understand this at all. What does this have to do with protecting transgender rights? Can we get some FACTS here? My questions:

1) the statement from LCPS today says the first assault was reported to the sheriff’s office the day it happened. They are under obligation to avoid any investigation of the incident until AFTER law enforcement concludes their investigation, right?

2) Are people asserting the the Board is informed of all disciplinary cases in schools or all crimes in schools? At what point is a board member informed? Would a school be in violation of Title IX by transferring an accused assaulted or expelling him/her before a school investigation could occur?

(For those getting political, remember that it was the Besty DeVos Dept of Ed that swung the pendulum back to the rights of accused rapists to avoid any consequences at school until AFTEr an assault had been proven through a legal process. If lane enforcement says that the school can’t investigate until they are done investigating, what authority does the school have to suspend or expel a student?

It seems to me that law enforcement dropped the ball here, not LCPS. How can people hold the Board responsible when they weren’t even allowed to be notified until after law enforcement concluded their investigation?

If the student had been arrested for violent assault, that student would NOT be in classes the next day. There IS juvenile debate too still, despite the uninformed political agitators here claiming there is only “restorative justice.” I have a friend who taught for years at the Fairfax County juvenile detention center.

So…the question is not really anything about elevated school hoard members, but rather why didn’t law enforcement arrest this student after the first reported assault?

The issue of gender fluidity or whatever seems like a total red herring, as the student assaulted someone else in a CLASSROOM. This has nothing to do with transgender rights. Rapists can find victims in school building in lots of places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please also stop referring to the boy as "transgender" or "gender fluid" - he isn't.

Why do you say that? Reportedly he wore a skirt and used the girls bathroom. That sounds gender-fluid to me.

He says he bisexual and sometimes likes wearing a skirt. The school knew there was no way their vote for transgender bathrooms would pass so they swept this under the rug and passed it.

He’s mentally ill and a sexual predator.

That makes what the principal and what the school board did worse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, let’s get this straight.

Boy rapes girl in girls bathroom.
School hushes it up because they’re trying to pass their trans “use the bathroom of your choice” policy at the SB and think this will hurt their cause.
Girl’s dad shows up at the SB to tell about his daughter being raped by a boy in the girl’s bathroom.
Prosecutor, who thinks the local trans bathroom rule is a front of a national fight, tries to send the dad to jail. Despite clearly knowing the rape he’s talking about actually happened.

Am I missing anything?

I’m the MCPS parent from up thread.

This is pretty much almost exactly how things panned out in MCPS with the Rockville case. Crazy.

I'd assume the bathroom policy had nothing to do with the cover up. Administrators would have covered this up anyways.

Might be true. Any thing like this reflects poorly on the school system.

MCPS has a history of covering up so many sexual assaults against students. There have been cases at multiple schools, and the first inclination is to cover it up (same story with the Damascus rape, the Rockville case and the Richard Montgomery case - which was an adult predator, not a student).

Seems to be the same thing all over and the kids suffer because of it.

The other PP comparing this to the Catholic Church is spot on. It’s the same technique.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please also stop referring to the boy as "transgender" or "gender fluid" - he isn't.

Why? What do you call a boy who wears a skirt and chooses to use the girls bathroom?

Well, I call a trans girl who uses the girls bathroom a girl.

I call a boy who wears a skirt (which hasn't been confirmed yet via the police report) and rapes girls a rapist.

I'm sure you can find different labels, but you can be pro trans and anti rape. I know it's a lot for your little brain to handle.

Why can’t you discuss this without resorting to name-calling?

Honestly? Because living in Loudoun I see so many of you on our Facebook posts and I'm sick of it. Some of us actually know the families and it's pretty shitty for folks to weigh in because Tucker Carlson told them too.

Is it that hard to believe that non-Fox-watching, middle-of-the-road people have concerns about this?

+1 I'm a Democrat. I'm also a rape survivor. I think it's dangerous to make it normal for biological men to just walk into vulnerable places like women's bathrooms and locker rooms unquestioned.

You say that out loud in Loudoun and you get doxxed. That's why this Dad was mad at the meeting -- the woman with the rainbow heart shirt told him she would ruin his plumbing business by doxxing him online because he was lying about his daughter being raped. He called her the b word and the cop pulled on his arm and then you've seen the rest.

Please lend your voice to this cause. I am also a rape survivor and I live in Loudoun and it is terrifying that our prosecutor is not going to stand up for victims.

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Can you imagine the liberal outcry had this boy not been trans or bi or whatever? Then the same people denying he did anything would show their true misandrist-selves and call for the boy to be tarred and feathered. But since he's trans... it's all good. The hypocrisy is sickening.

Who is saying that it’s all good? Every single post on this and on every FB post I have seen agrees this kid did it and is 100% bad news and needs to be put away and/or get help where he can’t harm anyone. What people are questioning is why does it matter what he may or may not have worn?

It clearly mattered to the principal and the school board. Because that why they hid it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It clearly mattered to the principal and the school board. Because that why they hid it

https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html

"LCPS officials, in an effort to maintain the student suspect’s due process in the alleged May 28 sexual assault, said school board members were not made aware of the incident until it was reported in the media earlier this week."

[Anonymous]

Trans girls should only be allowed to use the girls’ bathroom if they are trans AND sexually attracted to boys. If they are trans girls and attracted to girls, then they should use a private bathroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It clearly mattered to the principal and the school board. Because that why they hid it

https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html

"LCPS officials, in an effort to maintain the student suspect’s due process in the alleged May 28 sexual assault, said school board members were not made aware of the incident until it was reported in the media earlier this week."

Smith told them in June. They had him arrested:

“ Smith attended a June school board meeting where he voiced his concerns over students using restrooms that correspond with their chosen gender identity. He said the controversial policies being pushed by LCPS factored into the attack against his daughter.

He was arrested at that meeting and later found guilty of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. “

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the clothes and the sexual preference of the alleged attacker matter here, at all? If it’s true a kid was sexually violated and LCPS and the police have done little to nothing about it. THAT’S the story.

Along with the FATHER being arrested for trying to tell her story.

This does not surprise me one bit. Loudoun is bizarre this way. A victim is treated like a criminal, so is doubly traumatized.

There is something VERY off about a school system that would sweep a rape under the rug while criminalizing a father's outrage at his daughter's rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trans girls should only be allowed to use the girls’ bathroom if they are trans AND sexually attracted to boys. If they are trans girls and attracted to girls, then they should use a private bathroom.

And. . . there's no way to sort that out reliably to ensure safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trans girls should only be allowed to use the girls’ bathroom if they are trans AND sexually attracted to boys. If they are trans girls and attracted to girls, then they should use a private bathroom.

And. . . there's no way to sort that out reliably to ensure safety.

I've always thought gender identity and sexuality are 2 different things. Just because I identify as a different fender does not mean I am attracted to the opposite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It clearly mattered to the principal and the school board. Because that why they hid it

https://www.loudountimes.com/news/lcps-issues-response-to-newly-surfaced-sexual-assault-allegations/article_6420912a-2c55-11ec-b677-1f5c38b8993a.html

"LCPS officials, in an effort to maintain the student suspect’s due process in the alleged May 28 sexual assault, said school board members were not made aware of the incident until it was reported in the media earlier this week."

Smith told them in June. They had him arrested:

“ Smith attended a June school board meeting where he voiced his concerns over students using restrooms that correspond with their chosen gender identity. He said the controversial policies being pushed by LCPS factored into the attack against his daughter.

He was arrested at that meeting and later found guilty of disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. “

He was absolutely out of line, acting violent towards a woman and he refused to listen to the police officers who were very nice and very patient. He was belligerent and threatening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the clothes and the sexual preference of the alleged attacker matter here, at all? If it’s true a kid was sexually violated and LCPS and the police have done little to nothing about it. THAT’S the story.

Along with the FATHER being arrested for trying to tell her story.

This does not surprise me one bit. Loudoun is bizarre this way. A victim is treated like a criminal, so is doubly traumatized.

There is something VERY off about a school system that would sweep a rape under the rug while criminalizing a father's outrage at his daughter's rape.

This is very dishonest. He wasn't arrested for trying to tell his daughter's story. The SB meeting was shut down temporarily because people were out of control and it was not safe. He refused to leave and continue to act aggressively towards another person at the meeting and ignored every chance the cops gave him when they asked him to leave. He acted out violently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we please also stop referring to the boy as "transgender" or "gender fluid" - he isn't.

Why? What do you call a boy who wears a skirt and chooses to use the girls bathroom?

Well, I call a trans girl who uses the girls bathroom a girl.

I call a boy who wears a skirt (which hasn't been confirmed yet via the police report) and rapes girls a rapist.

I'm sure you can find different labels, but you can be pro trans and anti rape. I know it's a lot for your little brain to handle.

Why can’t you discuss this without resorting to name-calling?

Honestly? Because living in Loudoun I see so many of you on our Facebook posts and I'm sick of it. Some of us actually know the families and it's pretty shitty for folks to weigh in because Tucker Carlson told them too.

Is it that hard to believe that non-Fox-watching, middle-of-the-road people have concerns about this?

+1 I'm a Democrat. I'm also a rape survivor. I think it's dangerous to make it normal for biological men to just walk into vulnerable places like women's bathrooms and locker rooms unquestioned.

You say that out loud in Loudoun and you get doxxed. That's why this Dad was mad at the meeting -- the woman with the rainbow heart shirt told him she would ruin his plumbing business by doxxing him online because he was lying about his daughter being raped. He called her the b word and the cop pulled on his arm and then you've seen the rest.

Please lend your voice to this cause. I am also a rape survivor and I live in Loudoun and it is terrifying that our prosecutor is not going to stand up for victims.

I’ve got your back. And his back. And Luke’s back. I don’t plan to shut up anytime soon. I think it was disgraceful the first thread was deleted.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand this at all. What does this have to do with protecting transgender rights? Can we get some FACTS here? My questions:

1) the statement from LCPS today says the first assault was reported to the sheriff’s office the day it happened. They are under obligation to avoid any investigation of the incident until AFTER law enforcement concludes their investigation, right?

2) Are people asserting the the Board is informed of all disciplinary cases in schools or all crimes in schools? At what point is a board member informed? Would a school be in violation of Title IX by transferring an accused assaulted or expelling him/her before a school investigation could occur?

(For those getting political, remember that it was the Besty DeVos Dept of Ed that swung the pendulum back to the rights of accused rapists to avoid any consequences at school until AFTEr an assault had been proven through a legal process. If lane enforcement says that the school can’t investigate until they are done investigating, what authority does the school have to suspend or expel a student?

It seems to me that law enforcement dropped the ball here, not LCPS. How can people hold the Board responsible when they weren’t even allowed to be notified until after law enforcement concluded their investigation?

If the student had been arrested for violent assault, that student would NOT be in classes the next day. There IS juvenile debate too still, despite the uninformed political agitators here claiming there is only “restorative justice.” I have a friend who taught for years at the Fairfax County juvenile detention center.

So…the question is not really anything about elevated school hoard members, but rather why didn’t law enforcement arrest this student after the first reported assault?

The issue of gender fluidity or whatever seems like a total red herring, as the student assaulted someone else in a CLASSROOM. This has nothing to do with transgender rights. Rapists can find victims in school building in lots of places.

The issue you’re missing is that a dad went to the school board to ask questions like yours and was totally shut down by everyone there, arrested, and then basically believed to be a liar. The rapes are awful. Burying the story is worse.