Head of School at National Child Research Center (NCRC) - Arrest warrant issued

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Always addressed by Mr, Mrs, ms.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

Why do I feel like there is someone in this conversation who wants the worst case scenario to be true. Like they somehow resent all these private school families and are secretly glad this is happening. This site is full of such toxic hate.

I find the amount of denial by NCRC parents that anything remotely bad could have happened at school absolutely fascinating.

“Toxic” positivity might be a way to describe it.

No, I think you have no empathy or understanding why parent would hope against hope that something bad didn’t happen to their child that doesn’t mean that they want to protect the perpetrator or ignore the problem, but you can still hope that your child wasn’t victim. How can you not understand this? It doesn’t mean that parents have their head in the sand. It just means that they are hoping and praying that their children were not victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Always addressed by Mr, Mrs, ms.

Correct. So this person who is posting and saying that the students were brought up a back staircase is not someone who is familiar with the school. So get off of this conversation if you were going to lie and confused people.

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Always addressed by Mr, Mrs, ms.

Correct. So this person who is posting and saying that the students were brought up a back staircase is not someone who is familiar with the school. So get off of this conversation if you were going to lie and confused people.

The person is talking about NCRC not BV!

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Mr. Eric is at NCRC.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

You think abuse was happening during 3 minutes on a stairwell that other people can use? I suppose it's possible, but seems highly unlikely to me.

This entire situation is “highly unlikely”. That’s the territory we are in.

A LOT of things can happen online that are far less likely in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. I read the statute and the complaint, and I don't think the behavior detailed in the complaint fits the statute. I'm sure it must violate child exploitation laws, but the statute cited doesn't seem to cover adults encouraging other adults to abuse children. Am I missing something? I hope he's behind bars for the rest of his life, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. And I know the FBI may find evidence of other things. I'm just talking about what was needed to get the arrest warrant.
-A lawyer

So. Are you saying that IF he was only talking about this topic with another adult and that was ALL he was doing - then he’s “innocent” ? Legally speaking? I still understand that he needs noto be thoroughly investigated based on this and that exchanging pornography images of this topic is also illegal but they could discover that was the extent of his crime and it didn’t carry over to physical acts of sexual abuse on students at the schools. It would be good to learn that students were not touched by him physically.

I haven’t researched the child exploitation laws thoroughly, so can’t say whether that would violate a different law. I certainly hope it does, because it is despicable behavior beyond belief. But my reading of the statute cited by the DOJ is that his conduct doesn’t clearly fall within that statute. Would another lawyer on here please read it and the complaint and share your thoughts?

Why aren’t you being attacked when you say that you “certainly hope it but does” and somehow, I’m attacked for saying the same thing as a parent?! I’ve posted here several times saying that I hope his activity was limited to online viewings, and that he never touched a single child and someone on this board attacks me every time I say that! But when a lawyer speaks up and says the same thing, they are not attacked?

I’m saying that I hope his behavior as described in the complaint is deemed sufficiently criminal to put him in jail for a very long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Always addressed by Mr, Mrs, ms.

To my recollection, fmr Beauvoir parent, "Mr. Eric" was also a teacher at Beauvoir. Different person. Brought in for pre-K to be a third teacher in a classroom that needed some extra support. We were there after Toth. Just making sure not to confuse the two.

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You are absolutely right! I am a former parent at NCRC, and I can tell you that people keep their children in a bubble that doesn’t exist. Everyone is so nice, and the world feels like Disney. On top of that, while the school has a strong focus on social-emotional learning, any time a parent raises a concern, it’s dismissed almost immediately. I’m talking about issues like annoying behavior between kids, concerns about new students’ behavior, or even teachers hugging children (WTF?).

It also seems like NCRC tries to calm parents’ emotions over the last scandal, almost to the point of dismissal. Nobody has been violent or anything, but when parents express worries, it’s met with responses like, ‘No, no, please stay calm,’ even when nobody is yelling. It’s so hypocritical—they teach kids to express themselves through social-emotional learning, but when parents try to voice concerns, they’re brushed off. It’s a mess!

People there are overly nice, it is kind of a protection. How to be critical to someone who is so nice. Parents have to wake up.

Okay. We are also a former NCRC family and raised a concern about a teacher hugging our kid. Our kid never makes things up and is very descriptive about her day. We told the school and there was zero follow up. This person wasn’t even my kid’s teacher! We chose not to re-enroll after that year. What was your experience raising concerns?

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Anonymous wrote:He didn't file the lawsuit on 11/18 - it was filed much earlier, by the landlord. He just filed his response on 11/18.

Get what you’re saying but on 11/18 he requested a jury trial for this Monday on the case. Did he alert the board of either?

Did the board not inform you of his filing on the landlord/tenant matter?

Oh wait, maybe it’s because you’re an irrelevant yenta on a message board?

The dude is a repugnant deviant criminal. But everyone’s “Perry Mason” expertise on what should have happened, happened, how the FBI should investigate and the failures of the Board are nothing short of comic.

If we’re all irrelevant why are you responding and insulting just don’t post. I think everyone should be able to ask any and all questions of these institutions right now. I haven’t seen in the press that he had this lawsuit on Monday. The school allowed a predator around our children for a decade. I for one do not know why James requested a jury trial the day before he’s arrested for something else and I would like to know if this is connected. As someone whose children were at both schools it feels like a failure on so many levels and this board mostly has been a relief to come to and find new info and help find answers for my friends.

The be an adult and ask the board rather than being a keyboard warrior hiding behind anonymity on a message board.

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To 14:15, As long as we prioritize being nice over the safety of children, predators will continue to abuse children. Nice parents and nice children is part of the profile of what they look for, people who would never report to the police until they had absolute proof of abuse. By then, it’s too late, people. The children have already been abused and traumatized.

You need to be on high alert for any slight ‘creepy’ or ‘off’ behavior. Get educated. Do whatever it takes for him to know you prioritize your child’s safety over being nice.

You are absolutely right! I am a former parent at NCRC, and I can tell you that people keep their children in a bubble that doesn’t exist. Everyone is so nice, and the world feels like Disney. On top of that, while the school has a strong focus on social-emotional learning, any time a parent raises a concern, it’s dismissed almost immediately. I’m talking about issues like annoying behavior between kids, concerns about new students’ behavior, or even teachers hugging children (WTF?).

It also seems like NCRC tries to calm parents’ emotions over the last scandal, almost to the point of dismissal. Nobody has been violent or anything, but when parents express worries, it’s met with responses like, ‘No, no, please stay calm,’ even when nobody is yelling. It’s so hypocritical—they teach kids to express themselves through social-emotional learning, but when parents try to voice concerns, they’re brushed off. It’s a mess!

People there are overly nice, it is kind of a protection. How to be critical to someone who is so nice. Parents have to wake up.

Agree 100000% -- and there needs to be a new "therapist/counselor" who is arms-length from James Carroll, who can look at this situation with clear eyes. The current counselor should step down for a year long sabbatical, as she is too close to this situation and should herself seek help. Need an outsider to come in, help process this without denial, and offer screenings for kids if their parents want to do it. Being overly nice, telling people to be quiet, or not talk about it with their children, is tantamount to asking everyone to put their head in the sand - or - "DON'T LOOK UP!" style gaslighting.

Just to be clear, parents should not be talking about this with their kids, and NCRC should absolutely not be hiring someone to talk to kids, because it's really easy to end up with witness statements thrown out due to leading questions.

If a parent has any concern, they should talk to law enforcement. If someone needs to talk to a child, it should be someone who has professional expertise in this area, and who is know to law enforcement, and probably selected by or works for law enforcement. That is not gaslighting that's protecting children.

PP here - I think you misunderstand - yes, if you want initial screening, go to police/ped -- I am talking about the ongoing needs of parents to have a school counselor who is NOT Judith -- there is going to be ongoing anxiety and trauma; and in the past she advises parents on a day to day basis on parenting/ec; I just think it is best if she steps aside for a bit, and lets someone else come in to do her job.

Judith's role within NCRC has to be a guidance counselor/parneting counselor, and I think they should bring in someone else from the outside for that role in the next year. (This is separate from talking to law enforcement, which would not be talking to her/ec.)

IT seems crazy to put head in the sand, act like everything is the same, and keep her in this capacity - she probably does not have a clear head, herself, right now to offer counseling as she is in the thick of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking that a known predator didn’t abuse children when he had the opportunity is delusional. Educate yourselves.

It is possible he did not ever touch children and that his activities were limited to only be online or elsewhere. Someone or a kid would’ve said something by now.

Seriously, please educate yourself.
Or are you the troll on this thread spewing misinformation?

You are not nice. I am not a troll. I am a parent to kids at a school he was at and we talk to our kids openly and often about this sort of thing and they would have told us if something happened. I am hoping that is the case for all. Bug off. Btw You’re the one with the misinformation there are many online predators that do not take their actions in person thankfully… I am hoping for all this was one of those cases.

Jeff posted about this earlier, but there is some basis for hoping/believing this to be the case. In the affidavit, the UC agent asks if he has carried out any of these acts in real life and he says no, would be great, but no.

I posted this earlier, hoping/believing this to be the case as well and I was attacked by so many people on this board saying that I was minimizing the crime. And somehow being selfish for not wanting my kids to be the ones who had been touched by this monster. I said the same thing, and I was attacked for hoping that it was only an online activity, and that somehow I was ignorant and not understanding that abuse was still happening to innocent victims because of his online activity.

there’s zero basis to believe he never did any of this in person. and the schools apparently aren’t actively trying to find out and are trying to push the narrative that it was “just” looking at CSAM.

The schools should be aggressively looking for any and all possible abuse, that is indisputable and they have handled this terribly. But there is not ZERO basis to consider that it may have been limited to online when he did not take the bragging rights of having abused in real life when asked by the UC who he thought was another pedo.

Law enforcement should be looking for any and all possible abuse. The schools need to step back and let law enforcement do their job. They should absolutely not be investigating on their own.

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It’s very possible he just wasn’t into preschool children. Nobody has touched on this aspect but didn’t he post a pic of two teenage boys, so his perversion may have a particular type.

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Anonymous wrote:Who at BVR recalls Mr. Toth being referred to as Mr. Eric? All the teachers at BVR were addressed as Ms or Mrs or Mr last name as far as I can recall…,,are you a former BVR student or parent?

Always addressed by Mr, Mrs, ms.

Mr. Eric in the other posed referred to a (very amazing, totally unrelated to this) NCRC staff member, not Toth.