US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia is saying they are taking out Nazis in Ukraine. So if Rs are aligned with Russia, why are they taking out their friends? According to Dems, Rs are Nazis. Why don’t Dems want Nazis destroyed?

D+ trolling. I'd expect more effort today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Russia is saying they are taking out Nazis in Ukraine. So if Rs are aligned with Russia, why are they taking out their friends? According to Dems, Rs are Nazis. Why don’t Dems want Nazis destroyed?

So you believe the Russian propaganda that the Ukrainian government headed by a Jewish guy is Nazi? Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: As someone who was born and raised in a dictatorship, I'm always baffled to see people who have all the historical ressources at their disposal to make better choices choose to go in the opposite direction. What we're currently witnessing is the end of putin as we knew him but also the end of the russian federation as it currently stands.

Russia doesn’t have the financial nor human ressources to engage in a protracted military conflict with multiple nations at once . Worse, this war is putin's and solely putin's. If anyone saw that awkward exchange he had with his spy chief , you'd know this . There's no realistic path through which it ends well for putin and russia .

There won't be a protracted military conflict with multiple countries. There will be a brief conflict with one nation and then possibly an insurgency to deal with.

PP here, you seem to think a conflict is solely military, it isn't. When multiple nations are uniting to take retaliatory measures against you, then you're in a conflict with multiple nations, indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 50 years, and especially in the last 30, the US has become too reliant on imports and cannot be self sufficient: from oil, to processors to micro chips, to food, to the clothes/shoes you wear, your covid tests, medicine, autos, your iPhone, computers, machinery, just absolutely everything. List all the things you use on a daily basis that are 100% made in the USA; then list the things that are at least partially made in China.

We've economically put ourselves in a horrible position of dependency on foreign everything because we LOVE cheap stuff. And the chickens have now come home to roost. Russia has us by the balls, especially if China sides with them. The US cannot sanction Russia enough to make a difference that wouldn't result in a retaliation by Russia/china that would devastate the US, and the US knows it. This isn't WWII where "We Can Do It" and women save the day.

Look at Germany Russia has threatened to shut off the gas pipeline against Germany. That would actually affect people all the way to France, as an example. No heat, no hot water, many will be unable to cook. That's just a small example.

This situation is incredibly complicated. I am not pro or anti Biden, but I am anti being so dependent on cheap foreign made goods that we have to sit on our hands while innocent people get bombed and killed. Look what we have done to ourselves.

We have China by the balls just as much as they have us. We can meaningfully sanction Russia because they have a small economy and their energy exports aren't coming here. Whether or not Europe goes along with it is an open question, but we can hit them with the kind of sanctions that we have on Iran and make their companies choose doing business with the US and doing business with Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: As someone who was born and raised in a dictatorship, I'm always baffled to see people who have all the historical ressources at their disposal to make better choices choose to go in the opposite direction. What we're currently witnessing is the end of putin as we knew him but also the end of the russian federation as it currently stands.

Russia doesn’t have the financial nor human ressources to engage in a protracted military conflict with multiple nations at once . Worse, this war is putin's and solely putin's. If anyone saw that awkward exchange he had with his spy chief , you'd know this . There's no realistic path through which it ends well for putin and russia .

There won't be a protracted military conflict with multiple countries. There will be a brief conflict with one nation and then possibly an insurgency to deal with.

PP here, you seem to think a conflict is solely military, it isn't. When multiple nations are uniting to take retaliatory measures against you, then you're in a conflict with multiple nations, indeed.

When Germany relies on Russian gas to make sure its citizens don't freeze to death in their homes, you can assume that any sanctions will just be for show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 50 years, and especially in the last 30, the US has become too reliant on imports and cannot be self sufficient: from oil, to processors to micro chips, to food, to the clothes/shoes you wear, your covid tests, medicine, autos, your iPhone, computers, machinery, just absolutely everything. List all the things you use on a daily basis that are 100% made in the USA; then list the things that are at least partially made in China.

We've economically put ourselves in a horrible position of dependency on foreign everything because we LOVE cheap stuff. And the chickens have now come home to roost. Russia has us by the balls, especially if China sides with them. The US cannot sanction Russia enough to make a difference that wouldn't result in a retaliation by Russia/china that would devastate the US, and the US knows it. This isn't WWII where "We Can Do It" and women save the day.

Look at Germany Russia has threatened to shut off the gas pipeline against Germany. That would actually affect people all the way to France, as an example. No heat, no hot water, many will be unable to cook. That's just a small example.

This situation is incredibly complicated. I am not pro or anti Biden, but I am anti being so dependent on cheap foreign made goods that we have to sit on our hands while innocent people get bombed and killed. Look what we have done to ourselves.

This is why he is attacking in winter.

Next China will take Taiwan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will say as a former Democrat and now independent I modestly conclude that Trump would be a better person in power at this moment. That is all.

Better re-assess. Even his SecDef thought Biden would be better.

This piece peddles the specious claim that Trump wanted to pull out of NATO. He said that the US should leave NATO IF THE OTHER NATO COUNTRIES didn’t contribute their share (2% of GDP is the goal). Trump said the US would no longer foot the bill. And because of Trump, NATO is stronger and other countries have stepped up spending and commitment. This is a fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 50 years, and especially in the last 30, the US has become too reliant on imports and cannot be self sufficient: from oil, to processors to micro chips, to food, to the clothes/shoes you wear, your covid tests, medicine, autos, your iPhone, computers, machinery, just absolutely everything. List all the things you use on a daily basis that are 100% made in the USA; then list the things that are at least partially made in China.

We've economically put ourselves in a horrible position of dependency on foreign everything because we LOVE cheap stuff. And the chickens have now come home to roost. Russia has us by the balls, especially if China sides with them. The US cannot sanction Russia enough to make a difference that wouldn't result in a retaliation by Russia/china that would devastate the US, and the US knows it. This isn't WWII where "We Can Do It" and women save the day.

Look at Germany Russia has threatened to shut off the gas pipeline against Germany. That would actually affect people all the way to France, as an example. No heat, no hot water, many will be unable to cook. That's just a small example.

This situation is incredibly complicated. I am not pro or anti Biden, but I am anti being so dependent on cheap foreign made goods that we have to sit on our hands while innocent people get bombed and killed. Look what we have done to ourselves.

Affluent people LOVE cheap stuff. Poor people may or may not love it, but it doesn't matter because they don't have a choice. And there are more poor people than affluent people.

[Anonymous]

Looks like US oil independence wasn’t such a bad thing after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: As someone who was born and raised in a dictatorship, I'm always baffled to see people who have all the historical ressources at their disposal to make better choices choose to go in the opposite direction. What we're currently witnessing is the end of putin as we knew him but also the end of the russian federation as it currently stands.

Russia doesn’t have the financial nor human ressources to engage in a protracted military conflict with multiple nations at once . Worse, this war is putin's and solely putin's. If anyone saw that awkward exchange he had with his spy chief , you'd know this . There's no realistic path through which it ends well for putin and russia .

so you're advocating that Europe and the US go all in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say as a former Democrat and now independent I modestly conclude that Trump would be a better person in power at this moment. That is all.

Better re-assess. Even his SecDef thought Biden would be better.

This piece peddles the specious claim that Trump wanted to pull out of NATO. He said that the US should leave NATO IF THE OTHER NATO COUNTRIES didn’t contribute their share (2% of GDP is the goal). Trump said the US would no longer foot the bill. And because of Trump, NATO is stronger and other countries have stepped up spending and commitment. This is a fact.

I'm gonna take his own SecDef's opinion over yours, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say as a former Democrat and now independent I modestly conclude that Trump would be a better person in power at this moment. That is all.

F U, apostate !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I’m a thread about Ukraine you people find a way to blame trump 😂 ya’ll need hobbies

Trump was *impeached* for withholding Congressionally mandated military aid to Ukraine. Of course his actions are relevant. Mitt Romney warned about Russia, and he was the only Republican Senator to support conviction for Trump's dereliction of duty. Romney was right and the other Putin-loving sycophants in the GOP looked the other way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Russia is saying they are taking out Nazis in Ukraine. So if Rs are aligned with Russia, why are they taking out their friends? According to Dems, Rs are Nazis. Why don’t Dems want Nazis destroyed?

D+ trolling. I'd expect more effort today

Any real answer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like US oil independence wasn’t such a bad thing after all.

Oh shut up, trumpy. You’re not fooling anyone here