Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:If I have to dig through your documents to find the shock your case is not as good as you think.

Oh no! Whatever will Blake do because you're too lazy to read anything?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

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Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Well, the way they did it (without an intimacy monitor) breaks modern rules for worker rights and safety, so maybe you can tone down your victim blaming.

For example, he insisted that she be naked in the scene, even though women are not naked when they give birth. He used this whole opportunity for him and his buddy to get off on her body. That is not what an actress should be subjected to.

Yes he mansplained that because his wife ripped off her gown that this was totally normal and what all women did. As if Blake would have no idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

You must be a man.

The person allowed close access to her private parts should have been a professional.

Why not just sell tickets to the set, if you can dole that (a peep show) out as a personal perk??

Female employees have dignity!!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

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I have now had time to read more of the complaint and understand the stuff about the intimacy coordinator, the hiring of friends to be in certain scenes, the nudity on set, etc. much better. Here are some details for people who don't have time to read the complaint (it's quite long and I have only made it through the details of what happened on set prior to the strike, so I get why people don't have time to read it):

The deal with hiring a friend to play the gynecologist is actually part of one of the worst things that happened. Basically, Lively was not originally going to be nude in that scene and then on the day it was set to be shot, Baldoni and his partner were like "of course you will be nude, all women are nude when giving birth" (said by two men to a woman who has given birth 4 times). She objected and there was back and forth about it. She finally agreed to be nude below the chest but wearing some fabric over her private parts. Because the nudity in this scene was "improvised", there was no intimacy coordinator on set for the day (because Lively and others did not expect it to be an intimate scene) and there was no "nudity rider" in place (a common contract between an actor and production that details what can and cannot be filmed during a nude scene and how the nudity will be handled). On top of this, Baldoni had hired a personal friend to play the OB-Gyn and this person spent the duration of the scene between Lively's legs, sometimes with his face in her private area.

This is, in short, horrifying. It reflects a really unprofessional set, multiple violations of SAG-AFTRA (the actors guild) rules, and is just disrespectful and stressful for an actor. This is why the contract they had Baldoni sign as a condition for bringing Lively back to the set after the strike required no more "surprise" nude scenes, that a nudity rider be in place for all nude scenes (not just those involving Lively but also any other actor and including nudity doubles), an intimacy coordinator on set for all nude scenes and sex scenes, and that any actor or worker on set during a nude or intimate scene be a professional and necessary member of production and not just some friend thrown into a role last minute.

The complaint also details stuff Baldoni and his parter did and said to other members of the cast (unnamed) that made *them* uncomfortable. Including an unnamed female cast member and the actors playing the younger version of Lively's character and her teenage love interest.

It's very detailed and describes an incredibly unprofessional and disrespectful environment that normalized harassing behavior and provided no proper methods of addressing this behavior because Baldoni and his production partner were running the production and their company provided no other resources to cast or staff to address issues. Lively tried to reach out to Sony for help but because Wayfarer owned production and Sony was just handling distribution, Sony had not legal role in the production itself. So she could only go non Wayfarer which meant going to Baldoni himself, and he was the problem.

The strike basically saved her because it created a break in production and time to put together a request for what her team wanted for her to come back to set and finish filming. My sense (unclear if this is specifically outlined in the complaint -- I have not read everything) is that prior to the strike, Lively tried to address her concerns in an ad hoc way and was getting nowhere with Baldoni or his partners or Sony but she was contractually required to work on the movie so she had to just do her best to get through it. Especially with the stuff that would be thrown at her last minute, like suddenly announcing she would be nude or changing the nature of a scene being shot that day to make it more intimate or sexual, and forcing her to choose between filming the scene or holding up production to object to the changes.

After reading the details I am firmly on Lively's side here, whatever else she may have done in her life that I might disagree with. I've been in a hostile work environment and I've been sexually harassed at work before. This is what that looks like.

I wish there was more focus on the details of harassment in the complaint and less focus on the PR stuff which I think is ultimately less important. The PR stuff only becomes relevant because Baldoni used it as a tool to trynand discredit Lively before she came out with this complaint. But the details of what happened on set are, in my opinion, way more important. No one should ever have to work in an environment like that. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

You must be a man.

The person allowed close access to her private parts should have been a professional.

Why not just sell tickets to the set, if you can dole that (a peep show) out as a personal perk??

Female employees have dignity!!

his friend was an actor …

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

What rings as false or exaggerated?

Reading the complaint, it paints a realistic picture to me and it seems to be very careful not to use exaggerating or dramatic language. It's very matter of fact. But the facts they share, taken together, indicate that she was pressured into nudity and intimacy on set that was not in the script or suggested beforehand, that the production failed to provide intimacy coordinators for these ad hoc nude/intimate scenes, that some of the improvised nudity in the production was not covered by nudity riders that allow actors to draw clear lines about how nudity is filmed, that Baldoni and his production partner were consistently inappropriate and boundary-violating on set, and that there were complaints filed about all of the above starting on the second day of production but that nothing changed until after the strike when Lively refused to come back to the set unless they agreed in writing to her stipulations.

It really sounds like Lively did everything in her power to address these issues on set in a professional, fair way and that Baldoni and his partners ignored a myriad of valid complaints and behaved horribly.

He should never direct another film.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

What rings as false or exaggerated?

Reading the complaint, it paints a realistic picture to me and it seems to be very careful not to use exaggerating or dramatic language. It's very matter of fact. But the facts they share, taken together, indicate that she was pressured into nudity and intimacy on set that was not in the script or suggested beforehand, that the production failed to provide intimacy coordinators for these ad hoc nude/intimate scenes, that some of the improvised nudity in the production was not covered by nudity riders that allow actors to draw clear lines about how nudity is filmed, that Baldoni and his production partner were consistently inappropriate and boundary-violating on set, and that there were complaints filed about all of the above starting on the second day of production but that nothing changed until after the strike when Lively refused to come back to the set unless they agreed in writing to her stipulations.

It really sounds like Lively did everything in her power to address these issues on set in a professional, fair way and that Baldoni and his partners ignored a myriad of valid complaints and behaved horribly.

He should never direct another film.

Everything listed seemed exaggerated or fake except for the part about Baldoni’s business partner (not Baldoni) entering her trailer when she was changing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

What rings as false or exaggerated?

Reading the complaint, it paints a realistic picture to me and it seems to be very careful not to use exaggerating or dramatic language. It's very matter of fact. But the facts they share, taken together, indicate that she was pressured into nudity and intimacy on set that was not in the script or suggested beforehand, that the production failed to provide intimacy coordinators for these ad hoc nude/intimate scenes, that some of the improvised nudity in the production was not covered by nudity riders that allow actors to draw clear lines about how nudity is filmed, that Baldoni and his production partner were consistently inappropriate and boundary-violating on set, and that there were complaints filed about all of the above starting on the second day of production but that nothing changed until after the strike when Lively refused to come back to the set unless they agreed in writing to her stipulations.

It really sounds like Lively did everything in her power to address these issues on set in a professional, fair way and that Baldoni and his partners ignored a myriad of valid complaints and behaved horribly.

He should never direct another film.

Everything listed seemed exaggerated or fake except for the part about Baldoni’s business partner (not Baldoni) entering her trailer when she was changing.

I don't understand why though. Why does that sound true to you but other things don't? If you think the other stuff is false then why would you believe that? You've provided no reason for your thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

What rings as false or exaggerated?

Reading the complaint, it paints a realistic picture to me and it seems to be very careful not to use exaggerating or dramatic language. It's very matter of fact. But the facts they share, taken together, indicate that she was pressured into nudity and intimacy on set that was not in the script or suggested beforehand, that the production failed to provide intimacy coordinators for these ad hoc nude/intimate scenes, that some of the improvised nudity in the production was not covered by nudity riders that allow actors to draw clear lines about how nudity is filmed, that Baldoni and his production partner were consistently inappropriate and boundary-violating on set, and that there were complaints filed about all of the above starting on the second day of production but that nothing changed until after the strike when Lively refused to come back to the set unless they agreed in writing to her stipulations.

It really sounds like Lively did everything in her power to address these issues on set in a professional, fair way and that Baldoni and his partners ignored a myriad of valid complaints and behaved horribly.

He should never direct another film.

Everything listed seemed exaggerated or fake except for the part about Baldoni’s business partner (not Baldoni) entering her trailer when she was changing.

The part where a 2nd cast member had also complained about him to HR?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

There's a lot of murkiness around the Woody Allen allegation. Lots of actors still support him since he was never even charged with a crime.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

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Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

You were already Team Baldoni anyway. That's a lonely team.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

Actually I believe the rumors about Blake and Harvey and I still think Blake’s in the right here and justin acted horribly. It does not matter if you slept your way to the top or acted inappropriately… It doesn’t give men the right later on to sexually harass you for the rest of your life!

It reminds me of no one taking Pamela anderson’s side when her sex tape leaked because she had posed nude for Playboy. People couldn’t get their minds around the fact that just because she had posed nude, why would she care if everyone saw her having sex with her husband?

It’s this gross double standard we have for women. I guess only the ones who are acted perfectly in society‘s eyes deserve protection from sexual harassment.

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Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?