Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

There's a lot of murkiness around the Woody Allen allegation. Lots of actors still support him since he was never even charged with a crime.

I don’t find there to be any murkiness about it but either way, I was just stating my opinion, that me, and some other people have not liked Blake since that incident. There’s just a lot of documented outrage about it in the press, people have written articles, you can read people's comments on social, etc. referring to it. My only point was there are many reasons some people have complained about Blake lively prior to August. And that it is not shocking to me that bad press about her drummed up in August due to the nature of her year with this movie coming out and Deadpool coming out and the friendship with Taylor, and all her businesses etc.

Even though I dislike her, I am on Blake’s side here and think she was treated horribly and I do think it’s distressing that even high profile actresses with a lot of clout still have to put up with this crap on set. Also super upsetting to me that Sony was just like we can’t do anything. We’re just a distributor. Sony has a lot of power and they should’ve stepped in. Shame on them.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

There's a lot of murkiness around the Woody Allen allegation. Lots of actors still support him since he was never even charged with a crime.

I don’t find there to be any murkiness about it but either way, I was just stating my opinion, that me, and some other people have not liked Blake since that incident. There’s just a lot of documented outrage about it in the press, people have written articles, you can read people's comments on social, etc. referring to it. My only point was there are many reasons some people have complained about Blake lively prior to August. And that it is not shocking to me that bad press about her drummed up in August due to the nature of her year with this movie coming out and Deadpool coming out and the friendship with Taylor, and all her businesses etc.

Even though I dislike her, I am on Blake’s side here and think she was treated horribly and I do think it’s distressing that even high profile actresses with a lot of clout still have to put up with this crap on set. Also super upsetting to me that Sony was just like we can’t do anything. We’re just a distributor. Sony has a lot of power and they should’ve stepped in. Shame on them.

It totally is murky which is why he was never even arrested. But that's another topic. If you have't read the piece told from Soon Yi's point of view you should.

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

You've never heard of him because he is a nobody and it's mind boggling that a nobody would go after someone much more famous than him with an A-lister husband. He played a real stupid game and got his ass handed to him. But none of this would have come to light if his idiot publicist, Abel, didn't try to stab her former boss in the back, steal her clients, internal documents, all while plotting it out so obviously with her co-conspirator, Nathan, on company owned devices. Her former boss is going scorched earth and gleefully handed all of the texts over to Blake when asked so that we all know what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

+1. He does not have the influence in Hollywood to smear her. He's a virtual no one compared to her and her husband.

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

You've never heard of him because he is a nobody and it's mind boggling that a nobody would go after someone much more famous than him with an A-lister husband. He played a real stupid game and got his ass handed to him. But none of this would have come to light if his idiot publicist, Abel, didn't try to stab her former boss in the back, steal her clients, internal documents, all while plotting it out so obviously with her co-conspirator, Nathan, on company owned devices. Her former boss is going scorched earth and gleefully handed all of the texts over to Blake when asked so that we all know what happened.

Oh wow, I didn’t know any of this background. It reinforces the point that this is all fake and exaggerated PR and Hollywood “drama”. Degenerate money hungry backstabbers on all sides.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

There's a lot of murkiness around the Woody Allen allegation. Lots of actors still support him since he was never even charged with a crime.

I don’t find there to be any murkiness about it but either way, I was just stating my opinion, that me, and some other people have not liked Blake since that incident. There’s just a lot of documented outrage about it in the press, people have written articles, you can read people's comments on social, etc. referring to it. My only point was there are many reasons some people have complained about Blake lively prior to August. And that it is not shocking to me that bad press about her drummed up in August due to the nature of her year with this movie coming out and Deadpool coming out and the friendship with Taylor, and all her businesses etc.

Even though I dislike her, I am on Blake’s side here and think she was treated horribly and I do think it’s distressing that even high profile actresses with a lot of clout still have to put up with this crap on set. Also super upsetting to me that Sony was just like we can’t do anything. We’re just a distributor. Sony has a lot of power and they should’ve stepped in. Shame on them.

It totally is murky which is why he was never even arrested. But that's another topic. If you have't read the piece told from Soon Yi's point of view you should.

I believe Dylan. I also think Woody Allen is a pompous ass and way overrated. Google his interview with Twiggy. Such an arrogant ass. I’m glad he’s been blackballed and will never work again.

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

You've never heard of him because he is a nobody and it's mind boggling that a nobody would go after someone much more famous than him with an A-lister husband. He played a real stupid game and got his ass handed to him. But none of this would have come to light if his idiot publicist, Abel, didn't try to stab her former boss in the back, steal her clients, internal documents, all while plotting it out so obviously with her co-conspirator, Nathan, on company owned devices. Her former boss is going scorched earth and gleefully handed all of the texts over to Blake when asked so that we all know what happened.

Oh wow, I didn’t know any of this background. It reinforces the point that this is all fake and exaggerated PR and Hollywood “drama”. Degenerate money hungry backstabbers on all sides.

No it doesn't say that at all. Rather w/o the PR intrigue Blake would never normally know that this was happening. The PR people would have circled the wagons.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is looking more and more like the Johnny Depp DV trial social media massacre of Amber Heard.

The slanderous smear campaign was not OK. The conduct before she demanded reasonable adjustments was not OK

Insane levels of vitriol and stupid unfalsifiable claims against BL (eg millions of random Americans dislike her and her husband etc). I don’t have an opinion on her personally but I applaud her for taking on the misogynistic slander when most of us don’t have the resources.

She is not an every woman but so many of us have faced harassment in the work place and were not able to fight back.

Except this thread was started in 2018, way predating Lively even working with Baldoni or a single allegation against him. Was there a 7 year old thread explicitly about people not liking Amber Heard before she married Depp? No. Lively is more famous than Heard and people have already firmed firm opinions of her, many negative.

It's not the same thing at all.

And I actually am on Lively's side regarding the harassment. No one deserves that, not even Blake Lively, who is annoying, entitled, and unpleasant. But the PR stuff? Eh. I don't care. A campaign like that only works if there's already a lot of negative sentiment about someone. Which there was, about Lively (and Reynolds, actually -- people are super tired of both of them).

A few pages were commented on in 2018. Then in blew up in August. About the same time the smear campaign started. Not a coincidence.

It was almost 10 pages over the course of years and then blew up in August because that's when her movie came out. She then had multiple product launches in the same few short months. And the same time rumors were swirling about a fall out with Baldoni on set, and Lively seriously botched the promotion for the movie (giving a glib and weird answer to question about how DV survivors could be helped by the movie, and being super weird with the whole "grab your friends, wear your florals!" campaign).

This thread blew up because of Lively's career/game peaking and her own actions. Not because some PR flak is camping on DCUM hoping to sway the opinions of a small group of DC area moms.

To the degree

Read the comments on page 9. It starts off with people just calling her mean, repeating why they don't like her, or other crap. Nobody was talking about the movie. Get real.

That's how it always works though. Go and read prior posts after breaks in the thread. Suddenly she's top of mind because she's in the news and people will pop into the thread complaining about her. That's how these threads often work.

You are hearing hoofbeats and thing zebras. But this thread isn't unusual and all by DCUM standards. This is just how threads like this work on this website. The higher the profile, the bigger the hate.

Why are you trying to tell us what happened didn't actually happen? The PR texts prove it did. They congratulated themselves for doing the job so well. They even admit they can't stand Baldoni himself as he was an arrogant ass and didn't believe half the crap his fans were saying in his defense. It happened.

I do not think his PR people posted on this site, and I think the reason their limited actions elsewhere were so successful is because there was already tons of negative sentiment toward Lively online, so her haters seized on the planted posts and ran with them. Probably the biggest thing they did was get that video of her mean girl-ing the fashion reporter in that interview. People went crazy over that. But it's not like they lied or spread an untrue rumor-- they got a video interview of Blake Lively bring an entitled jerk to circulate online. I have trouble viewing Lively as a victim in that scenario. It wasn't CGI -- she did that. She also really did respond flippantly to questions about DV related to her movie about DV, and she really did use the film to promote her haircare line and alcohol venture.

I do not like Baldoni but I find it so weird that people are trying to cast Blake Lively as an innocent victim of a negative press campaign. It's so weird.

Go ahead and call me a PR plant now. I'm not. Ironically, you are buying into a coordinated PR campaign *from Lively* when you do that. Do you not think every nice thing you've read about Lively recently was not "planted" to some degree or another, by a publicist on her payroll? It was.

If you think people just up and decided in August to post negatively about Blake here without having read some planted stories or the manufactured PR chatter on Reddit, I don't know what to tell you. Opinions are created somewhere and it's not like anyone who purportedly hates Blake so much they need to post obsessively about her actually knows her. They read the same crap posted about her designed to form a negative opinion. That just shows how easily duped people are.

I don't think the allegations in a claim filed by lawyers is "PR". I read it myself. Here you go:
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

You fundamentally misunderstand-the press did not create negative opinion of Lively. It reinforced already existing negative opinion of Lively.

Read the texts between the PR agents. You might start to understand.

You keep saying stuff like this without acknowledging people have disliked her for years.

Yes so much that it barely filled a few pages for 6 years here. Then suddenly in August people REALLY disliked her?

DP but yes. She had a huge movie coming out in August that had gotten a lot of press for a year because a lot of people love the book and were anticipating the movie, there was already criticisms about her being cast because the age of the characters differ so much from the book.

Combine that with the fact that Ryan had Deadpool coming out and Blake was rumored to be lady Deadpool. Combine that with the fact that Taylor was doing her tour and Blake was getting a lot of press from that. Did you watch the Super Bowl? And other Chiefs games. Blake was all over that. So yeah, there was drumming up interest about Blake and criticisms about her that have always been there. I’ve never liked her since she stayed silent spoke about Woody Allen. Some actors who had worked with him and gushed about him apologized after all of the allegations came out about him and she stayed silent.

Blake has had people annoyed with her for a while. I think no matter what there would’ve been some sentiment against her in August because she and Ryan have increasingly appeared overexposed and clueless. They taut privacy a lot and then schedule pap walks.

But yes, the PR campaign against her absolutely capitalized on it and it sounded like it was really unfair. I feel like Blake deserves the normal amount of criticism celebs get for overexposing themselves, like JLO. Not a smear campaign added on.

The irony is if Justin had just let it play out naturally she probably would’ve gotten a fair amount of negative press and he would’ve come off pretty unscathed and probably continued his career.

There's a lot of murkiness around the Woody Allen allegation. Lots of actors still support him since he was never even charged with a crime.

I don’t find there to be any murkiness about it but either way, I was just stating my opinion, that me, and some other people have not liked Blake since that incident. There’s just a lot of documented outrage about it in the press, people have written articles, you can read people's comments on social, etc. referring to it. My only point was there are many reasons some people have complained about Blake lively prior to August. And that it is not shocking to me that bad press about her drummed up in August due to the nature of her year with this movie coming out and Deadpool coming out and the friendship with Taylor, and all her businesses etc.

Even though I dislike her, I am on Blake’s side here and think she was treated horribly and I do think it’s distressing that even high profile actresses with a lot of clout still have to put up with this crap on set. Also super upsetting to me that Sony was just like we can’t do anything. We’re just a distributor. Sony has a lot of power and they should’ve stepped in. Shame on them.

It totally is murky which is why he was never even arrested. But that's another topic. If you have't read the piece told from Soon Yi's point of view you should.

I believe Dylan. I also think Woody Allen is a pompous ass and way overrated. Google his interview with Twiggy. Such an arrogant ass. I’m glad he’s been blackballed and will never work again.

He's clearly on the spectrum or something but I don't believe Dylan after reading Soon Yi's piece. Dylan was coached by Mia and everyone knew it.

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

You've never heard of him because he is a nobody and it's mind boggling that a nobody would go after someone much more famous than him with an A-lister husband. He played a real stupid game and got his ass handed to him. But none of this would have come to light if his idiot publicist, Abel, didn't try to stab her former boss in the back, steal her clients, internal documents, all while plotting it out so obviously with her co-conspirator, Nathan, on company owned devices. Her former boss is going scorched earth and gleefully handed all of the texts over to Blake when asked so that we all know what happened.

Oh wow, I didn’t know any of this background. It reinforces the point that this is all fake and exaggerated PR and Hollywood “drama”. Degenerate money hungry backstabbers on all sides.

No it does not show that.

It shows that Baldoni’s PR people were using dodgy strategies and turned on each other when one back stabbed the brother.

It does not show that BL or RR were doing the same thing but were handed the electronic documents by Abel’s former boss (who is upset that she was being blamed for the smear campaign) in order to strengthen their defense case against the smear campaign and clear Baldoni’s oruhinal PR firm..

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Anonymous wrote:Who had time to read this stuff? Can someone summarize it?

Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

You've never heard of him because he is a nobody and it's mind boggling that a nobody would go after someone much more famous than him with an A-lister husband. He played a real stupid game and got his ass handed to him. But none of this would have come to light if his idiot publicist, Abel, didn't try to stab her former boss in the back, steal her clients, internal documents, all while plotting it out so obviously with her co-conspirator, Nathan, on company owned devices. Her former boss is going scorched earth and gleefully handed all of the texts over to Blake when asked so that we all know what happened.

Oh wow, I didn’t know any of this background. It reinforces the point that this is all fake and exaggerated PR and Hollywood “drama”. Degenerate money hungry backstabbers on all sides.

No it does not show that.

It shows that Baldoni’s PR people were using dodgy strategies and turned on each other when one back stabbed the brother.

It does not show that BL or RR were doing the same thing but were handed the electronic documents by Abel’s former boss (who is upset that she was being blamed for the smear campaign) in order to strengthen their defense case against the smear campaign and clear Baldoni’s oruhinal PR firm..

+1 Blake is benefiting from the internal drama but it doesn't change that Baldoni planned a retaliation campaign on her.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

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Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

You must be a man.

The person allowed close access to her private parts should have been a professional.

Why not just sell tickets to the set, if you can dole that (a peep show) out as a personal perk??

Female employees have dignity!!

his friend was an actor …

Untrue.

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Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

Alternatively, unreliable narrators turn innocuous events into claims of harassment.

The one thing tipping me to Team Baldoni is that her litany of complaints mostly rings false/exaggerated.

Supported by a doc Baldoni signed and by others on the set.

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Also it seems like she’s accusing him of smearing her name? My impression is actually that she is smearing his name. Since I’d never heard of him before this drama

+1. He does not have the influence in Hollywood to smear her. He's a virtual no one compared to her and her husband.

His team’s docs say what they say. His backer is a billionaire. Presumably he paid the pr bill.

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How does she pronounce cucumber?

Y’all are going HB