Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

I have no idea what it means to not be a “legit employee.” That was not part of Lively’s allegations. She complained about the friend aspect and that typically these roles go to “local actors” whatever that means.

You can keep disregarding what people are saying. But these allegations are not as clear cut as some of you think.

You never read the complaint b/c it's clearly in there from the bullet points after the Jan 4 meeting. So, try again and yes I will keep disregarding you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

Why does anyone here have to explain it? If it made her uncomfortable, then it did. It's not for others to decide what should matter to her. Your inability to recognize harassment or work place violations is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

It's not "our" case dingbat.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

Why does anyone here have to explain it? If it made her uncomfortable, then it did. It's not for others to decide what should matter to her. Your inability to recognize harassment or work place violations is irrelevant.

How would you suggest that they film a birth scene without someone to portray the doctor delivering the baby? Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

Why does anyone here have to explain it? If it made her uncomfortable, then it did. It's not for others to decide what should matter to her. Your inability to recognize harassment or work place violations is irrelevant.

How would you suggest that they film a birth scene without someone to portray the doctor delivering the baby? Please explain.

There you go! See if that helps.
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

If you are interested in a good faith discussion, here is a list of issues with the birth scene: https://themusicessentials.com/trending-pop-culture-news/blake-lively-nightmare-justin-baldoni-shocking-on-set-actions/

Of course, you can pick one or two of those and say "it's not that bad." Just casting his friend, if everything leading up to it had been professional, would probably not be a big deal. Sexual harassment is about a pattern of unwelcome or hostile actions. It's the totaly of the circumstances that are so damning. It's a million little boundaries being pushed on these Hollywood sets (and of course, it's not just Baldoni), and then you can claim innocence and say "what! I was just doing (minor thing)! what's the big deal?!"

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

It's not "our" case dingbat.

OK Blake's case then.Please answer the question.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

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One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Professionalism and respect?

Sure, but my point is for a birth scene someone had to be between her legs. SoO fail to see the scandal of having an actor placed there. Maybe you can explain. Did Justin's wife diddle her?

So your position is that on the set they should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as there is no "diddling"? It's all or nothing?

My point is please explain what the person did that was terrible.Just sitting there in that area seems normal for a scene that portrays giving birth. You don't help your case with the vagueness of the allegation.

It's not "our" case dingbat.

OK Blake's case then.Please answer the question.

You have been provided with much reading material. But you won't read it, obviously. Can you say a negative word about Baldoni at this point? I doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have the faintest clue who the accused is but I’m taking his side because Harvey’s whore and her closeted twink husband are so freakin’ phony and insufferable. Right up there with Ashton Kutcher and his troll-looking wife.

Exhibit A -
Online misogyny at work - BL is cast as Harvey and AK’s wife is nameless but degraded on grounds of her appearance.

Sick

^^^^
One photo and she is dismissed as Harvey’s whore

This is why people should stand with Blake, these are the low life sorts who are easily manipulated or more likely paid to spew their bile, to destroy successful women.

Blake and her husband also employ numerous of these "low life sorts" who are paid to "spew their bile" and destroy people. Just like everyone else in Hollywood.

It's fascinating to see this spun as Baldoni and his PR team doing something that isn't commonplace in Hollywood. The NYT's piece exposing the texts and emails from and between his PR team even went out of it's way not to mention the PR outfit that employed those particular flaks (likely as part of an agreement with the firm not to mention it by name even though that's the company who was hired by Baldoni in the first place. They are trying to make it seem like "a few bad apples." It's the whole industry, including Blake and Ryan's team. This is how Hollywood PR works.

And it's terrible! But the idea that Lively is an innocent victim of it and not someone who has paid people for years to undertake these same tactics on her behalf is so rich.

I don't see it that way at all. I'm sure it happens all the time. There are so many things that pop up out of nowhere that suddenly "everyone" agrees on and are clearly astroturfed. This one is catching attention because there is proof. They suspected it, they got the text messages from the PR firm, and the messages were a freaking goldmine including meta-commentary from the PR morons saying "we can't put this in writing" while putting it in writing. We don't normally get to see the inside track that confirms out suspicions, so that's interesting and fun.

Sure. But you don't know what Blake's own team is saying this week about how well they've good and hosed Baldoni. If you don't think there are celebratory texts and emails right now congratulating themselves for getting the online chatter to run the other way, you are incorrect. And if you assume "well yeah but they are working for the good guys so it's okay".... well you've bought right into a narrative someone else sold you without realizing it.

Lively and Reynolds are not the good guys here. There are no good guys.

Beyond what is in her complaint what negative stories are there about Baldoni? What dirt has been dug up on him that trolls are spinning that is outside of what is happening currently? This isn't a both sides situation no matter how many times you try to compare them.

Perhaps there aren't negative stories out there about Baldoni because he doesn't have a history of doing negative stuff and people who have previously worked with him liked him?

I find it kind of surprising that this complaint has come out and there are no reports of him being questionable on prior projects. He did 5 full years of Jane the Virgin, 100 episodes, and not a peep from anyone on that show that he's a jerk or that he talks about sex all the time or is inappropriate with casemates, etc. It seems like having someone as high profile as Lively come out and say "this guy is awful" would empower other, less powerful women to step forward, if they were out there. That's what has happened in every other metoo incident.

It is the rare woman who speaks up. And those who are younger, and less powerful, usually do not.

Men count on that.

Probably the crap she described (eg, him casting his FRIEND as her gynecologist), are so embedded in the industry…that you have to be very evolved to even see the violation involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyhXSDeU_Oc

I’m not getting why casting his friend in a big part is some kind of evidence of something? Of course he hands out parts to his friends. The kitchen-sink nature of the allegations kind of tips me towards Baldoni.

+1, especially small roles that don't require much. It even makes some sense from a production standpoint -- as long as they are professional and can do the job, a friend will take SAG minimum and typically be easy to work with. You don't waste time and money casting someone for a small role only to discover they are difficult or don't take direction.

Also the thing about him casting his wife as the gynocologist-- she wasn't a real gynocologist. It's not like she was actually examining Lively. It's a movie.

The problem is they weren't legit employees. She asked that they be classified as actors or working actors if they were on set during nude scenes. Not cool to just have your wife hanging out between her legs during a birth scene as a friend. People are trying to downplay his actions here but it won't be successful

Why does his wife have some secret kink? I would think she would be happy it was a woman and not an unknown man. I just don't see the scandal. One way to avoid having someone between your legs during "birth scenes" is not to take a part that requires a birth scene. What did she expect when she signed up for that?

Well, the way they did it (without an intimacy monitor) breaks modern rules for worker rights and safety, so maybe you can tone down your victim blaming.

For example, he insisted that she be naked in the scene, even though women are not naked when they give birth. He used this whole opportunity for him and his buddy to get off on her body. That is not what an actress should be subjected to.