Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

[Anonymous]

They photographed the garage for over 3 hours in the dark. They didn’t even do that at Nancy’s own house. The son-in-laws car was not in the garage - it was impounded to evidence days ago.

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Anonymous wrote:These kidnappers should get the death penalty.

The kidnappers are her own daughter and sil

What sister in law are people referring to? Your wording indicates Nancy’s SIL. Or do you mean Cameron’s wife? I have heard nothing about her or if he is even married.

SIL in this case = son in law

[Anonymous]

I have a bat$41t crazy family. I can see Annie being jealous of Savannah and her husband stepping in and seeing it as manly. Or he is in debt.I know how insane a jealous sibling can be. Whoever is behind this is doing things in a way that brings them lot of attention which is something they are typically on the sidelines watching Savannah get. Savannah and Nancy look like they were very close.
I think Nancy’s heart probably gave out and she is no longer alive.
If you read my views on this you will see that they say more about me than they do about this situation. That’s how things like this go sideways. It’s cognitive distortion and we all do it and it destroys lives.
I’ve considered writing a book with the potential title:
It’s all just stories in their heads

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t they pay on Monday?

Is it about last Monday or this Monday? I thought the ransom didn’t show up for a day or two after the abduction.

Right. And she was probably gone by then. This whole kidnapping was a horrible idea from the beginning, both because of its cruelty and criminality and because of the medically fragile nature of the victim.

When is kidnapping ever a good idea?

Abductions are unfortunately all too common.

It’s the demanding of money to release the victim that makes it quite a terrible get rich quick scheme.

The FBI at least used to be a somewhat reliable repository of top minds and people with skills … not so much anymore. And local police depts seem to be simultaneously deteriorating, both in terms of officers with incentive to look the other way in some situations and filling out their ranks with the ones who don’t score too high on the qualifying exams, supposedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Savannahs message is so weirdly phrased that’s is clear to me she’s speaking in code. The newest letter had something in it that convinced them they had their mom and her response has coded words sending a message back to them. Celebrate and peace and “we understand you” seem especially coded to me. The whole thing is so so so weird it’s actually like agitating my spirit.

+1

Your last sentence captures exactly how I feel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think looking at the sister and her husband's house means it IS them. As in-town caregivers, it's likely they share service providers and have people coming in and out of both houses. Just as likely they are looking to collect evidence related to stuff like that.

Yep, going through all the people who come in and out of both of these homes (since she was probably over at the SIL and BIL's home a lot) is probably a priority. Remember Elizabeth Smart was taken by someone who had been in their house doing work. The main suspect in Relisha Rudd's case was a janitor.

I have never forgotten the Laura Houghteling case in Bethesda where the killer was a crazy guy the mom paid to do yardwork.

https://washingtonian.com/2024/08/29/what-happened-to-laura-houghteling/

Look up the Melissa Brannen case that was local (Lorton). The groundskeeper for her apartment building kidnapped and killed her. There were unrelated ransom demands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a bat$41t crazy family. I can see Annie being jealous of Savannah and her husband stepping in and seeing it as manly. Or he is in debt.I know how insane a jealous sibling can be. Whoever is behind this is doing things in a way that brings them lot of attention which is something they are typically on the sidelines watching Savannah get. Savannah and Nancy look like they were very close.
I think Nancy’s heart probably gave out and she is no longer alive.
If you read my views on this you will see that they say more about me than they do about this situation. That’s how things like this go sideways. It’s cognitive distortion and we all do it and it destroys lives.
I’ve considered writing a book with the potential title:
It’s all just stories in their heads

Killing the mom doesn't resolve the sibling rivalry. Given the rabid hatred of mother in laws on here I'm not sure why more people aren't looking at it from that angle. Maybe Annie's husband is jealous of the time and attention lavished on his mother in law and not on him so he eliminated his rival for her affection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reports of luminol being sprayed in Annie’s garage and photograph flashes going off.

That makes sense. You’d want to see if the bil came home with any blood on him or in the car. That could help rule him in or out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reports of luminol being sprayed in Annie’s garage and photograph flashes going off.

That makes sense. You’d want to see if the bil came home with any blood on him or in the car. That could help rule him in or out.

But aren’t all the siblings still staying at the sisters house? Wouldn’t that be scary and awkward if they really suspect the bil? I imagine they have security but still.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reports of luminol being sprayed in Annie’s garage and photograph flashes going off.

That makes sense. You’d want to see if the bil came home with any blood on him or in the car. That could help rule him in or out.

But aren’t all the siblings still staying at the sisters house? Wouldn’t that be scary and awkward if they really suspect the bil? I imagine they have security but still.

I imagine so. But what other explanation is there for taking photos IN THE DARK for 3 hours? If you were photographing normal things, you’d want the lights on. If you spray luminal and nothing reacts, no need to take photos for 3 hours.

It does not look good, no matter how much people try to brush it off. Same with impounding their car. Not standard despite what people are saying.

[Anonymous]

If this turns out to be related to the SIL and sister or one or the other, then there has to be serious mental illness and cognitive issues because how could anyone think this would be a successful way to get money? It makes no sense to me.

I do find it strange an elderly woman was delivered home so late, but that's just because all the elderly women in my family over the years were early dinner, early to bed ladies.

The only thing I can think of is it looks like the mom enjoyed a glass of wine or 2 (nothing wrong with that). Maybe she pushed the wrong buttons that night after a glass a wine and it triggered seething anger that had been brewing. Perhaps the perpetrator also had been drinking and this wasn't about ever trying to get money, but just anger and feeling powerful mixed with irrational thinking from anger and alcohol? Then maybe they came up with scenario?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this turns out to be related to the SIL and sister or one or the other, then there has to be serious mental illness and cognitive issues because how could anyone think this would be a successful way to get money? It makes no sense to me.

I do find it strange an elderly woman was delivered home so late, but that's just because all the elderly women in my family over the years were early dinner, early to bed ladies.

The only thing I can think of is it looks like the mom enjoyed a glass of wine or 2 (nothing wrong with that). Maybe she pushed the wrong buttons that night after a glass a wine and it triggered seething anger that had been brewing. Perhaps the perpetrator also had been drinking and this wasn't about ever trying to get money, but just anger and feeling powerful mixed with irrational thinking from anger and alcohol? Then maybe they came up with scenario?

Just thought of something else. Mom took an Uber home, yet one outlet said the sibling lives a mile away or a few miles. If it's such a short distance away, it would be easy enough for the sister or husband to drive her home unless they had been drinking (nothing wrong with that). Another scenario I think of is if things got heated they needed to call an uber to end the evening and de-escalate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this turns out to be related to the SIL and sister or one or the other, then there has to be serious mental illness and cognitive issues because how could anyone think this would be a successful way to get money? It makes no sense to me.

I do find it strange an elderly woman was delivered home so late, but that's just because all the elderly women in my family over the years were early dinner, early to bed ladies.

The only thing I can think of is it looks like the mom enjoyed a glass of wine or 2 (nothing wrong with that). Maybe she pushed the wrong buttons that night after a glass a wine and it triggered seething anger that had been brewing. Perhaps the perpetrator also had been drinking and this wasn't about ever trying to get money, but just anger and feeling powerful mixed with irrational thinking from anger and alcohol? Then maybe they came up with scenario?

Just thought of something else. Mom took an Uber home, yet one outlet said the sibling lives a mile away or a few miles. If it's such a short distance away, it would be easy enough for the sister or husband to drive her home unless they had been drinking (nothing wrong with that). Another scenario I think of is if things got heated they needed to call an uber to end the evening and de-escalate.

She didn't take an Uber home, she was dropped off by a family member. She took an Uber to the daughter's house prior to going to dinner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this turns out to be related to the SIL and sister or one or the other, then there has to be serious mental illness and cognitive issues because how could anyone think this would be a successful way to get money? It makes no sense to me.

I do find it strange an elderly woman was delivered home so late, but that's just because all the elderly women in my family over the years were early dinner, early to bed ladies.

The only thing I can think of is it looks like the mom enjoyed a glass of wine or 2 (nothing wrong with that). Maybe she pushed the wrong buttons that night after a glass a wine and it triggered seething anger that had been brewing. Perhaps the perpetrator also had been drinking and this wasn't about ever trying to get money, but just anger and feeling powerful mixed with irrational thinking from anger and alcohol? Then maybe they came up with scenario?

Just thought of something else. Mom took an Uber home, yet one outlet said the sibling lives a mile away or a few miles. If it's such a short distance away, it would be easy enough for the sister or husband to drive her home unless they had been drinking (nothing wrong with that). Another scenario I think of is if things got heated they needed to call an uber to end the evening and de-escalate.

She took an Uber out then and they drove her home. This has been known for sometime. They just won't say which family member drove her home but it was probably the husband. I thought one outlet let it slip that it was him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this turns out to be related to the SIL and sister or one or the other, then there has to be serious mental illness and cognitive issues because how could anyone think this would be a successful way to get money? It makes no sense to me.

I do find it strange an elderly woman was delivered home so late, but that's just because all the elderly women in my family over the years were early dinner, early to bed ladies.

The only thing I can think of is it looks like the mom enjoyed a glass of wine or 2 (nothing wrong with that). Maybe she pushed the wrong buttons that night after a glass a wine and it triggered seething anger that had been brewing. Perhaps the perpetrator also had been drinking and this wasn't about ever trying to get money, but just anger and feeling powerful mixed with irrational thinking from anger and alcohol? Then maybe they came up with scenario?

Just thought of something else. Mom took an Uber home, yet one outlet said the sibling lives a mile away or a few miles. If it's such a short distance away, it would be easy enough for the sister or husband to drive her home unless they had been drinking (nothing wrong with that). Another scenario I think of is if things got heated they needed to call an uber to end the evening and de-escalate.

You seem ignorant of the basic facts of this case yet want to imagine all these wild scenarios?