Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Exactly. These right wing nuts are terrified of educated people.

Why the red states are at the bottom with education in this country.

[Anonymous]

How much more do people think college will cost when these research dollars are stripped and there is no full pay international students?

[Anonymous]

Ironic that Trump is claiming he's fighting antisemitism in his attack on universities, while Hitler destroyed Germany's by targeting Jews.

The Nazi regime quickly targeted German universities—among the most elite in the world at the time—for restructuring according to Nazi principles.

https://perspectives.ushmm.org/collection/higher-education-in-nazi-germany

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

[Anonymous]

I AP'd out of comparative government, but all of the Harvard trolls appeared to have failed that course.

Assertion A) Trump is an authoritarian, he is going to kill our scientific research.

Assertion B) The Chinese are going beat us at the research game.

Seems like the Authoritarians in China are doing just fine at research. It would be funny except it isn't. Not that I think Trump is especially authoritarian, just that the trolls here can't even get their ideology to align in a fact free place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Exactly. These right wing nuts are terrified of educated people.

Why the red states are at the bottom with education in this country.

Liberals in government have the USA testing last among developed nations. While spending exponentially more per student.

Only liberals are capable of such failure

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

PP here.

I’ve accepted your challenge and found semi-comparable data (political donations by professors circa 2015-16). 99.37% to Dems, <1% to Republicans.

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2019/01/13/the-off-brand-opinion-how-to-approach-the-absence-of-conservative-professors-at-vanderbilt/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not indoctrination that educated people being less right politically.

It's *because* they are educated, critically thinking people that they tend left.

Exactly. These right wing nuts are terrified of educated people.

Why the red states are at the bottom with education in this country.

Liberals in government have the USA testing last among developed nations. While spending exponentially more per student.

Only liberals are capable of such failure

All the liberals in Louisiana? Mississippi?

[Anonymous]

Is Trump going after Harvard for the drama of it all?

He should have known they’d fight back, and win.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

PP here.

I’ve accepted your challenge and found semi-comparable data (political donations by professors circa 2015-16). 99.37% to Dems, <1% to Republicans.

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2019/01/13/the-off-brand-opinion-how-to-approach-the-absence-of-conservative-professors-at-vanderbilt/

These organizations are dominated by atheist marxists and the operate like marxists. Ideological purity and elimination of debate. These are the type responsible for the largest genocides in history. They are worse than Hitler if they ever get control and they desperately want control. The USA founders concept of free speech backed by gun ownership, private property rights paramount and drastically restricted government power literally drives them insane.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

PP here.

I’ve accepted your challenge and found semi-comparable data (political donations by professors circa 2015-16). 99.37% to Dems, <1% to Republicans.

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2019/01/13/the-off-brand-opinion-how-to-approach-the-absence-of-conservative-professors-at-vanderbilt/

Intriguing! Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Is this some kind of joke?

NO ONE believes the Ivies or most of the T50 are “institutions of free thought” anymore.

I know plenty of trumpers with kids in college right now. None of them want trump wasting our time and energy with this attack on Harvard and other universities. They hate migrants. They hate immigrants. They're not too fond of dark-skinned people. But they are not interested in doing battle with Harvard University and higher education . Not at all. I don't think they get why he focuses on this of all things.

This is just useless destruction. Harvard in higher education is wounded but come out the other side and go on long after Trump is gone.

Harvard must honestly and deeply embrace diversity; meaning: diversity of political opinion.

The overwhelming majority of Harvard professors and administrators are firmly on the left, with many on the far-left. They have also migrated toward antisemitism or acceptance of antisemitism at Harvard.

Acceptance of diversity of political opinion is Harvard’s only path forward.

What sort of nonsense are you spewing?!

1/4 of Harvard professors are Jewish. The president of Harvard is Jewish. Do you think they accept antisemitism?

What do you know about the political preferences for Harvard professors? Have you polled them? Here's one factoid: The (many) professors at Harvard Business School are not mostly left, much less far-left. The university is a big institution that covers lots of disciplines and lots of types of people.

Stop makiing gradiose, screw assertions when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you refer to facts as “nonsense?” Could you have a political motive, perhaps?

The fact is, demographic surveys of university faculty that began in the 1950s and continue to the present, have found higher percentages of liberals than of conservatives, particularly among those who work in the humanities and social sciences.

This is true.

The HERI survey of universities found, as of 2014, while surveying 16,112 professors, the percentage of liberal/far left had increased to 60%. HERI conducts the survey nation-wide, but is centered within UCLA.

Going all the way back to 1999, the NAASS survey found the ratio of those identifying themselves as Democrat to those identifying as Republican to be 12 to 1 in the humanities, and 6.5 to 1 in the social sciences.

Gross and Simmons intentionally widened their sampling to include professors at the community college level. They concluded that the professors were 44% liberal, 46% moderates, and 9% conservative.

To the PP:

- it is patently laughable for you to question the fact that university professors fall overwhelmingly to the left of center in their political outlook. Seriously laughable.

But remember that “liberal” in the U.S. is center right in the rest of the world. If you listened to Saint Ronnie, Eisenhower, even McCain today, you’d think they were democrats. MAGA is fringe.

DP.

There’s also Harvard-specific data available. Per the Harvard Crimson, 77% of Harvard A&S faculty describe themselves as either liberal or very liberal (link below). A grand total of 2.9% described themselves as conservative or very conservative, with 20% moderate.

As a left-leaning independent, I find those numbers ridiculous.

That said, none of this justifies Trump’s actions here.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/22/faculty-survey-2023-politics/

Harvard is much bigger than just Arts & Sciences. The numbers would be meaningfully different for the university as a whole.

Here's a challenge for someone: Compare the political leanings of Harvard A&S professors to those of Vanderbilt or some Western university.

PP here.

I’ve accepted your challenge and found semi-comparable data (political donations by professors circa 2015-16). 99.37% to Dems, <1% to Republicans.

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2019/01/13/the-off-brand-opinion-how-to-approach-the-absence-of-conservative-professors-at-vanderbilt/

These organizations are dominated by atheist marxists and the operate like marxists. Ideological purity and elimination of debate. These are the type responsible for the largest genocides in history. They are worse than Hitler if they ever get control and they desperately want control. The USA founders concept of free speech backed by gun ownership, private property rights paramount and drastically restricted government power literally drives them insane.

Wait, what? Vanderbilt University did something to curtail your right to free speech and demanded you hide your beliefs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not JUST about Harvard. He is attacking academic institutions in general, the war just happened to start with Harvard. All fascists attack institutions of free thought and eduction and then replace them with their own version.

Harvard hasn't encouraged free thought in decades.

This kind of vapid, baseless generalization just makes it clear that you had no chance of going to Harvard.

Really? You think they encourage and welcome those with conservative political views to speak and matriculate there?!